tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post174931238946103073..comments2024-03-29T11:40:46.477+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: 2 Cases Of Adding Years To Rav Elyashiv's LifeRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-6112997677664649762012-07-25T17:37:20.047+03:002012-07-25T17:37:20.047+03:00Or perhaps Rav Elyashiv didn't want to encoura...Or perhaps Rav Elyashiv didn't want to encourage the avreich because he disagreed hashkafically with that method.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-91349591104626791652012-07-25T15:52:18.089+03:002012-07-25T15:52:18.089+03:00Given that Rav Elyashiv never asked to have brough...Given that Rav Elyashiv never asked to have brought to him the avreich who "donated" a year, it would seem that Rav Elyashiv thought the idea nonsense. (Not only would he not gain a year from it, but the avreich would not lose one.)Dovidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-11956046359779749602012-07-25T13:04:38.775+03:002012-07-25T13:04:38.775+03:00This reminds me of my post Should we go to the bes...This reminds me of my post <a href="http://jewishworker.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/should-we-go-to-best-doctor.html" rel="nofollow">Should we go to the best doctor? </a><br /><br />R' Elyashiv needed heart surgery so they flew in the top cardiac/blood vessel surgeon from Cleveland (a religious Catholic) to do the surgery.<br /><br />The question I would like to ask is why was that necessary? The prevalent (only?) Charedi hashkafa today is that not even a leaf falls without it being a גזירה מו שמים and that השתדלות has no effect, it is just an illusion. השתדלות is just so that we avoid ניסים גלוים (see מכתב מאליהו, חזון איש אמונה ובטחון and others). If so, shouldn't bringing the top surgeon be too much השתדלות and a lack of בטחון? After all, Hashem is doing the healing not the surgeon and once we have done our השתדלות, going to the doctor and having the surgery, why should it matter whether the surgeon is the best in the world or simply Joe surgeon who is competent? As long as we do our השתדלות to avoid requiring a נס, the rest is a גזירה מן השמים. If the גזירה is that the surgery will be successful, then it will be successful even if done by the average surgeon, and if the גזירה is that it won't be successful then it won't help that you have the best surgeon.blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-80672771789742516172012-07-24T22:28:41.152+03:002012-07-24T22:28:41.152+03:00We need to know the right ratio to calculate accur...We need to know the right ratio to calculate accurately.Which would vary depending on the person donating.It might be 10 years to one month for Rav Elyashiv,lol.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-70960290220918008662012-07-24T22:19:03.238+03:002012-07-24T22:19:03.238+03:00Sounds normal to me... you donate a year, but have...Sounds normal to me... you donate a year, but have to subtract heavnly tax, transaction costs, a small cut for the angel who found the deal etc...at the end you are left with 5 months.Benjamin of Tudelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00443453533108185137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-81047887771279069632012-07-24T21:59:32.994+03:002012-07-24T21:59:32.994+03:00Nah, it wasn't Shalom or the doctors or the eq...Nah, it wasn't Shalom or the doctors or the equipment, it was all the avreichim saying tehillim for him!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-23939950943388013862012-07-24T21:25:13.079+03:002012-07-24T21:25:13.079+03:00Or you could say that all the time donated ,(which...Or you could say that all the time donated ,(which for all we know might total 45 years)is equal to 5 months of Rav Elyashiv's life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com