tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post2292560096559244230..comments2024-03-29T11:40:46.477+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: no kissing in shulRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-49532916540816235022007-11-13T00:52:00.000+02:002007-11-13T00:52:00.000+02:00B"H Rafi, Thanks for answering my question. I agr...B"H Rafi, Thanks for answering my question. I agree with you on it being inappropriate to make a <I>beth kenesseth</I> into a social club.<BR/><BR/>Warning: When I get married, if anyone does not want to get kissed, then don't come.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-48334777824112257512007-11-12T20:17:00.000+02:002007-11-12T20:17:00.000+02:00There were no Jews, ergo no official minhag.Au con...<I>There were no Jews, ergo no official minhag.</I><BR/><BR/>Au contraire: There were <B>ALWAYS</B> some Jews in EY. There was <B>NEVER</B> a period of the galut where the entire land was <I>Judenrein</I>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-7211636737320991162007-11-12T18:13:00.000+02:002007-11-12T18:13:00.000+02:00cosmic - interesting anecdote. thanks..Lakewood - ...cosmic - interesting anecdote. thanks..<BR/><BR/>Lakewood - Why did you jump? did the guy have some boil on his lip?Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-85385048886257165002007-11-12T18:11:00.001+02:002007-11-12T18:11:00.001+02:00I once almost got my hand kissed in shul friday ni...I once almost got my hand kissed in shul friday night by standing next to the rav to ask a question and some sfardic guy grabbed my hand. I jumped back but, close call!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-285773370264943882007-11-12T18:11:00.000+02:002007-11-12T18:11:00.000+02:00anon - Actually, Eretz Yisrael would ahve had no m...anon - Actually, Eretz Yisrael would ahve had no minhagim (I think this is how the logic goes according to Rav Ovadia) because the jews were thrown out of Eretz Yisrael. There were no Jews, ergo no official minhag.<BR/><BR/>When Jews began coming back, it was the sfardim, thus making the minhag ha'makom to be minhag sfard.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-49708729317222335602007-11-12T18:09:00.000+02:002007-11-12T18:09:00.000+02:00I think it is a halacha in the Shulchan Aruch that...I think it is a halacha in the Shulchan Aruch that you are not allowed to kiss another person in the synagogue. In one of the eulogies for Rav Shapira zt"l, it was mentioned that Rav Shapira kissed Rav J.B. Solovetchik when they met in a synagogue. Rav Shapira later explained that it is permissable to kiss a Torah scroll in the synagogue, therefore kissing R' Yoshe Ber is also permissable!Cosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-70203484283939106632007-11-12T17:45:00.000+02:002007-11-12T17:45:00.000+02:00Rav Rafi,(2 posts up) I'm one who comments here so...Rav Rafi,<BR/><BR/>(2 posts up) I'm one who comments here sometimes under my own "handle" and one who sometimes comments anonymously.<BR/><BR/>The point is that when the Sepharadim came to EY, <B>THEY</B> should have adopted the minhag hamakom, which is the Ashkenazi practice. <BR/><BR/>That they erroneously (and wrongly, according to Rav Ovadia's logic) brought their own foreign (Babylonian) practices then can't possibly be mechayev us now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-78777503792625054132007-11-12T17:26:00.000+02:002007-11-12T17:26:00.000+02:00i remember learning in high school that the only k...i remember learning in high school that the only kissing done in shul should be to the torah. a mother should not even kiss her small child. If the need to kiss a child arises (booboos or something), the mother should take the child outside.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-11773242566367763812007-11-12T16:05:00.000+02:002007-11-12T16:05:00.000+02:00anon - I do not know who you are, but that sounds ...anon - I do not know who you are, but that sounds like a machon shilo explanation (I like it anyway!)...<BR/><BR/>Rav Ovadia famously holds that since jews came back to Eretz Yisrael, sefardim were always the majority. Therefore the sefardi minhag has become minhag ha'makom. Therefore any ashkenazy who comes to Eretz Yisrael has to adopt the sefardic minhag. Even if at some point the ashkenazim would become the majority, they will have come to a sefardic minhag ha'makom and it would remain sefardic...Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-16038415826499133472007-11-12T16:01:00.000+02:002007-11-12T16:01:00.000+02:00Sepharadic halacha and customs come from Bavel- fr...Sepharadic halacha and customs come from Bavel- from the Bavli and the Gaonim there. Ashkenazi halachah and customs, although overpowered by the Bavli, always were closer to Eretz Yisrael. The Ashkenazim would ask their halachic questions to the Geonim in EY- not Bavel.<BR/><BR/>So if the Sepharadim want to be true to EY,they will adopt the Ashkenazi halacha and minhagim.<BR/><BR/>They can do it now, or wait until the moshiach comes, but it's just a matter of time. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-43057884236045059462007-11-12T13:40:00.000+02:002007-11-12T13:40:00.000+02:00from what I understood, it is not appropriate to b...from what I understood, it is not appropriate to be kissing people in shul. If it is kavod ha'torah that is fine, but otherwise it is inappropriate. Shul is not a social club.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-6679194880588916312007-11-12T13:03:00.000+02:002007-11-12T13:03:00.000+02:00B"H Is the original p'saq floating around the Net ...B"H Is the original <I>p'saq</I> floating around the Net at all?<BR/><BR/>Did ROY say whay it was improper? Why didn't he just say that kissing after an aliyah is <I>tarihei hatzibur?</I><BR/><BR/>I don't understand why else he would say that about kissing<BR/><BR/>Is turning into an uptight galusized Ashkinazy? Has weHallilahh! <BR/><BR/>(Some Litvaks kiss, but to the extent of Sefardim.)Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-61197241592137942062007-11-12T12:43:00.000+02:002007-11-12T12:43:00.000+02:00that's a good reason for a mechitza....that's a good reason for a mechitza....Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-70003277158721851762007-11-12T11:52:00.000+02:002007-11-12T11:52:00.000+02:00I was once in a shul where the mechitza has a bit ...I was once in a shul where the mechitza has a bit of a problem. You see, from the men's side it is about 6 feet tall, but from the womens side its only about 3 or 4 feet tall. One shabbos my family was in this shul, and we saw a woman lean over the mechitza and kiss a man. (I believe it was at the end of services on the way to the kiddush, but thats a side point). My brother looked and said, see that's the reason we have mechitzas!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com