tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post2350951110913206692..comments2024-03-18T19:59:12.814+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: change the original or the post-facto processRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-42846621962352923492009-06-25T10:43:01.262+03:002009-06-25T10:43:01.262+03:00Rav Druckman works with the Conversion Autority, n...Rav Druckman works with the Conversion Autority, not under the control of the Chief Rabinate. Therefore, he produces 'converts', who the Rabanut themselves would never have passed, because they never went through what you call 'the super strict process'.<br />There are two (at least) conflicting processes.<br />I didn't mean that Rav Druckman himself is insecere. His converts apparently have little sincerity when it comes to shmirat mitzvot.<br />BTW, this 'super strict process' is simply a term created by those wish to push through as many converts as possible. Others recognize it as the age old process of genuine kabbalat mitzvot.Hamasighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13878878989698459250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-7973364273629469642009-06-24T18:14:25.442+03:002009-06-24T18:14:25.442+03:00Rafi,
I blogged a lot about this the first time a...Rafi,<br /><br />I blogged <a href="http://cosmicx.blogspot.com/search?q=conversion" rel="nofollow">a lot about this</a> the first time around.<br /><br />One of the things that I learned is that you cannot rely on the media about this issue at all! <br /><br />Conversion is a very tricky business. How does the Beit Din know if the convert is sincere or not?<br /><br />I have heard that the Hareidi courts do not have a better record than the Rabbinut as far as converts keeping mitzvot after time. I do not have any statistics to say which courts are more successful in this manner. <br /><br />I agree with you 100% in that the current situation is in dire need of improvement.Cosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-34942348561115882452009-06-24T10:43:35.482+03:002009-06-24T10:43:35.482+03:00the "druckman job" is the process, and i...the "druckman job" is the process, and is part of the Orthodox control of the system. If you think that Rav Druckman did a job with no sincerity (and I do not know that that statement is true, but for arguments sake let us say it is), then change the process. Rav Druckman did not do anythign outside of the official process.<br /><br />I don't want to comment on any specific case, because we have nothign to go on. He says she was sincere and met the requirements originally and the other says she wasn't. <br />How do we decide whose side to take? So I dont want to talk about any specific ger or giyores.<br /><br />But Rav Druckman is part of the process. If it is no good, change the process. But if that is the process, you cannot come back later and say the process is still valid but the results are invalid.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-62473080276205826042009-06-24T10:38:49.598+03:002009-06-24T10:38:49.598+03:00The ones that get invalidated are because they did...The ones that get invalidated are because they didn't go through the process! They did a Druckman job, no sincerity.<br />The 'ultra-orthodox' do not have full control of the system, as can be seen from the whole Druckman fiasco.<br />Someone who went through it properly, with full acdceptance of all the mitzvot can never have their conversion invalidated.Hamasighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13878878989698459250noreply@blogger.com