tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post2450491679982776881..comments2024-03-29T06:05:20.562+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: local RBS Tzedaka: Kupa condemnationRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-79406354834319918222008-02-11T11:52:00.000+02:002008-02-11T11:52:00.000+02:00Ohr Chodosh-I second your thoughts! I'm certain th...Ohr Chodosh-<BR/><BR/>I second your thoughts! I'm certain that there are many people out there who would like to find out more about Lema'an Achai and help them as well.<BR/><BR/>I urge you to contact them and see how you can be of assistance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-31626419576555332432008-02-11T01:17:00.000+02:002008-02-11T01:17:00.000+02:00The Kupa comment may in fact show some progress. B...The Kupa comment may in fact show some progress. But is it real and concrete. This question is very important.<BR/><BR/>I heard the rumors about Lema'an Achai directly from a Kupa collector in my area. This guy comes each month to me in the name of the Kupa and takes my donation.<BR/><BR/>I have yet to hear an apology from him or the Kupa about these false comments. <BR/><BR/>To me this announcement had more to do with negative PR about them leading up to their event than it has to do with a real apology or commitment to do things right.<BR/><BR/>Kudos to Rafi and the blog for achieving even this.<BR/><BR/>My real challenge is to those residents of RBSA (myself included) who might have bought even some of the nonsense about Lema'an Achai.<BR/><BR/>Our teshuva can only be done through actions, not words!<BR/><BR/>If we have time to give let's give some to Lema'an Achai as well. If we have money to give let's give to Lema'an Achai as well.<BR/><BR/>They deserve credit and our support in this community as well as Kupa does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-42271411706045641062008-02-10T20:11:00.000+02:002008-02-10T20:11:00.000+02:00Discussion to date raises two general issues. The ...Discussion to date raises two general issues.<BR/> <BR/>The first is that of derech eretz.<BR/>It is disappointing to see not just 100% Tzedoka posters but also large posters of other Torah-style organizations, plastered double on the limited number of public notice boards in the Rama. Do these organizations give no thought that perhaps other groups have a right to share the public's notice boards? We should all view it as a community service to remove duplicate posters from public boards.<BR/> <BR/>The second is the question of efficiency.<BR/>A claim of 100% tzedaka is not just an issue of truth. Assuming a claim of 100% tzedoka is true, then the implication is of gross inefficiency. Any moderately large chesed organization that does not invest at least a small percentage of its income into at least several activities from amongst management, organizing, advertising, tracking, structure building, and professional input - cannot hope to deliver anything like as much as another that does. And this leads to another key question of efficiency. Despite surficial differences, the population essentially shares a common set of needs: food, accommodation, employment, health care, dental care, finance, etc. In the situation of replicated kupot, there are inevitably many economies of scale that are being squandered. Why, given one geographically united population, should there be two general kupot for the one community?Yosefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05233477284419539380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-12921670160637591052008-02-10T15:40:00.000+02:002008-02-10T15:40:00.000+02:00the "other worthy organizations" bothered me as we...the "other worthy organizations" bothered me as well... but give them credit for what they did, even if you think it was not 100%Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-26621754946800698252008-02-10T15:34:00.000+02:002008-02-10T15:34:00.000+02:00What are "negative comments" against "other worthy...What are "negative comments" against "other worthy Tzedaka or chessed organizations"??<BR/><BR/>Not to be negative, but it sounds like a bit of a cop-out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-74116248710577496592008-02-10T13:08:00.000+02:002008-02-10T13:08:00.000+02:00Down with intolerance of other hashkafot!Down with intolerance of other hashkafot!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-43298595096878792632008-02-10T12:28:00.000+02:002008-02-10T12:28:00.000+02:00yoni - I guess it is possible, but we all want to ...yoni - I guess it is possible, but we all want to believe it was real.. don't ruin it for us... :-)<BR/><BR/>I suspect it was real, because Rav eidensohn wrote to me regarding some questions I had asked him. At the end of his response he mentioned (nothing to do with the email I had sent to him) that the Kupa does not pay attention to discussions on blogs and does not participate in them blah blah blah... (I thought it was funny being right after they put out that notice of condemning criticism of Lmaan Achai..)Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-29983345729977743912008-02-10T12:09:00.000+02:002008-02-10T12:09:00.000+02:00Has anyone verified that the email was genuine, an...Has anyone verified that the email was genuine, and not a forgery in the name of the signers?<BR/><BR/>It could have been sent by someone who doesn't like the criticism that the Kupa has been getting.<BR/><BR/>Just so that people won't think that this is a case of indiscriminately being "<I>choshed b'ksheirim</I>", the main reason I'm suspect is that it was posted on the RBS list, while none, or almost none, of the alleged criticism by the Kupa toward LA appeared there. It seems that either:<BR/>- someone posted this as a forgery to diffuse some tensions (which is ridiculously easy to do), or<BR/>-the Kupa wants to go on record as taking the high road, but in a forum which (it believes) many of the supporters of a hard line against LA are not likely to see it.<BR/><BR/>This would not be the first time that hard-line chareidi elements in town were accused of forgeries (<A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2usjo4" REL="nofollow">see here</A>).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-74772002670339628742008-02-10T10:43:00.000+02:002008-02-10T10:43:00.000+02:00Rafi, thank you for providing a forum for these di...Rafi, thank you for providing a forum for these discussions. You also have a role in bringing this community together and in marginalizing the fanatics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-78315235476280602492008-02-09T23:47:00.000+02:002008-02-09T23:47:00.000+02:00thank you all for commenting and keeping it positi...thank you all for commenting and keeping it positive. I read every comment and have been very pleased with the tone and the way you responded. Let us all keep working to keep the community together and not drive it apart. Sometimes rash actions, and sometimes words, need to be taken, but they can also be directed towards fostering unity and comm-unity, rather than divisiveness.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-7000048167189044742008-02-09T23:45:00.000+02:002008-02-09T23:45:00.000+02:00oleh - welcome. Let me first say that both organiz...oleh - welcome. Let me first say that both organizations do great work in helping the local needy. Each serves a different crowd in a different way, with some overlap..<BR/><BR/>To your comment, I highly doubt they have more money than they know what to do with. If they did, they would distribute all that money to the poor and solve the problem. Just make them all rich. Alas, a dinner like this is standard among organizations all over the world. It is done, even lavishly perhaps (I was not there tonight so I am not commenting on the style of the dinner), with the knowledge that it will bring in more money in donations and volunteer hours than it cost to produce. So just because they put on a nice dinner does not mean they have more money than they know what to do with..Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-84608725802056329482008-02-09T23:31:00.000+02:002008-02-09T23:31:00.000+02:00Oleh Chadash - Welcome to Israel, welcome to RBS, ...Oleh Chadash - Welcome to Israel, welcome to RBS, and welcome to Life In Israel blog!<BR/><BR/>The Kupa has indeed been very successful over the years in making PR splash. This has generated the amounts of money & man-hours available to them, which you witnessed tonight.<BR/><BR/>For the purposes of comparison, Lema'an Achai has kept a lower profile (and less messy to our neighborhood) PR presence, putting the bulk of its resources into building up the amazing breadth and quality of its services to the needy families. <BR/><BR/>Lema'an Achai is the thinking man's kupa.<BR/><BR/>I recommend you take a look at www.lemaanachai.org to learn more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-39944005696404579532008-02-09T22:42:00.000+02:002008-02-09T22:42:00.000+02:00New to RBS and even newer to this blog. My interes...New to RBS and even newer to this blog. My interest was piqued with all the hubaloo over the last 2 weeks.<BR/>My wife and I just got back (left early) from the Melave Malka. We thought it would be a great new way to meet more people (and its free!).<BR/><BR/>A few observations:<BR/><BR/>1) Nice event...alot of time and effort went in.<BR/>2) Kupa says that they do a lot of good.<BR/>3) It is obvious from tonight that<BR/>Kupa has more time, money, sponsors and volunteers that it knows what to do with.<BR/>I think that it is a fine organization and probably does a lot of good but I can just imagine how many people could have been helped by the money and man hours <BR/>expended for this evening, sponsors or not.<BR/><BR/>I don't much about Lema'an Achai but am curious to see how they operate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-45409746936422884632008-02-09T21:44:00.000+02:002008-02-09T21:44:00.000+02:00Rav Cha, Rav Chayim, Rav Chayim Solo, Rav Chayim S...Rav Cha, Rav Chayim, Rav Chayim Solo, Rav Chayim Soloveichik- the new song of Ramat Beit Shemesh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-73649886796714853772008-02-09T21:28:00.000+02:002008-02-09T21:28:00.000+02:00Chayim, go back to your cave!Chayim, go back to your cave!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-59540409983802228722008-02-09T21:27:00.000+02:002008-02-09T21:27:00.000+02:00This is really surrreal! Jews are starting to get ...This is really surrreal! Jews are starting to get along. Unbelievable!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-38969966508134983692008-02-09T21:24:00.000+02:002008-02-09T21:24:00.000+02:00Why isn't the RBS e-list discussing this great vic...Why isn't the RBS e-list discussing this great victory for the forces of reasonableness?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-65210915342022093562008-02-09T21:22:00.000+02:002008-02-09T21:22:00.000+02:00How dare Chayim claim that there is only one Rav i...How dare Chayim claim that there is only one Rav in this town! <BR/><BR/>Satmar is much to moderate for you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-76504028260318016752008-02-09T21:14:00.000+02:002008-02-09T21:14:00.000+02:00Let's put politics aside. Chaim, chill out!The lat...Let's put politics aside. Chaim, chill out!<BR/><BR/>The latest news is great!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-54184648312349550492008-02-09T21:12:00.000+02:002008-02-09T21:12:00.000+02:00Kuppah, you did the right thing-continue this way!...Kuppah, you did the right thing-continue this way!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-21891847676569072892008-02-09T21:11:00.000+02:002008-02-09T21:11:00.000+02:00Thak you Rav Soloveichik for your willingness to d...Thak you Rav Soloveichik for your willingness to do something for the betterment of this community!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-36290145486871780462008-02-09T21:10:00.000+02:002008-02-09T21:10:00.000+02:00It seems that it is unanimous on this blog that Ch...It seems that it is unanimous on this blog that Chaim's hateful approach is NOT "toyradik"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-84796702917937260702008-02-09T21:09:00.000+02:002008-02-09T21:09:00.000+02:00Jews are great!Jews are great!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-49209796942249368522008-02-09T21:07:00.000+02:002008-02-09T21:07:00.000+02:00I am haredi and support the latest moves of the Ku...I am haredi and support the latest moves of the Kuppah and Leman Achai. Yasher koach!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-24265078789298076882008-02-09T21:06:00.000+02:002008-02-09T21:06:00.000+02:00Chaim, with your dinosaur attitude how on earth ca...Chaim, with your dinosaur attitude how on earth can you justify reading or writing on a blog?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com