tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post253745165446524351..comments2024-03-28T21:53:53.990+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: Haredim and child abuseRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-8458749288054617402008-04-24T20:10:00.000+03:002008-04-24T20:10:00.000+03:00I try not to, but I might be guilty of it to a cer...I try not to, but I might be guilty of it to a certain extent.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-45705590022002712072008-04-24T19:55:00.000+03:002008-04-24T19:55:00.000+03:00So I'm just wondering if you judge all of Islam by...So I'm just wondering if you judge all of Islam by the behaviors of those in that group who are radical and violent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-69355288004077409642008-04-08T03:03:00.000+03:002008-04-08T03:03:00.000+03:00However, there is no mechanism within haredi socie...However, there is no mechanism within haredi society to deal with these problems, and involving the proper authorities is discouraged.<BR/><BR/>~~~~~<BR/>for SOME, as long as you dress the part and do all the externals, they are happy enough. Another soldier.<BR/><BR/>And Anonymous said it all.<BR/><BR/>I think all this a part of a bigger problem. An elephant in the room that's waiting to be addressed.<BR/><BR/>++++++++++<BR/><BR/>Another question if I may: Does this constitute looking at Israel w/ a bad eye? Please be honest rather than sugar coating.Miriamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06067406973014144499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-54470778818358761892008-04-07T19:14:00.000+03:002008-04-07T19:14:00.000+03:00The whole affair is just terrible.The whole affair is just terrible.Jack Steinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16625864271071630940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-425639152790281072008-04-07T18:09:00.000+03:002008-04-07T18:09:00.000+03:00This has been said on other blogs but I'll repeat ...This has been said on other blogs but I'll repeat it here. The media might accent or emphasize the charedi aspect of these cases because charedim/religious people hold themselves up to be "holier than thou". Secular pple don't. So, of course no one assumes that just because Benny Sela was a chiloni rapist, therefore all chilonim must be rapists. Because most chilonim don't hold themselves up, as a group, to be on a higher level then the rest of the population.<BR/><BR/>And I'll be honest, I really haven't heard any commentary out of the secular media that these cases are the norm, that this is charedi society. They are particularly gruesome cases that are only more terrible because supposedly holy people were carrying out the abuse. But I think people were equally horrified by the chiloni couple that also beat their infant to a pulp.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, when you have a society that emphasizes dress and behavior as hallmarks of belonging and pple do horrible things while dressed and supposedly behaving that way, it's going to tarnish the community's image, no matter what you say or do.Commenter Abbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753256568022159103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-63846333126283914842008-04-07T16:39:00.000+03:002008-04-07T16:39:00.000+03:00I think I will continue to judge the charedi oilam...I think I will continue to judge the charedi oilam based on stories like these. Charedim will be judged as a group b/c unlike the broad 'secular' designation, charedim think (or don't) uniformly as a group. This woman is a great paradigm: baalat teshuva who follows even morally reprehensible rabinic teachings. If they were told to serve in the army- they would do that too. They are told zionism is bad- it's bad, that their wigs are treif- and they're treif, that this or that constitutes daas torah- and until rabinic hypocrisy is thrown in their collective face, no one questions these things. On the subject of child abuse- it is well known that charedim don't subscribe to the gentle school of child rearing. While the rest of the educated world now knows that there is never justification for striking your child, charedim still believe that parents and rebbeim should employ corporal punishment. Why you would choose to defend charedim on this very subject is confusing. I'm a frum guy and I've defended charedim on one or two things, but the code of silence and acceptance of corporal is not one of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-90966760712040209042008-04-07T16:26:00.000+03:002008-04-07T16:26:00.000+03:00that is more reasonable. but in the burqa case, fo...that is more reasonable. but in the burqa case, for example, the neighbors reported the family situation a number of times to the various authorities; police, social services, etc. and the authorities let the situation get out of hand due to beauracracy or lagging...<BR/><BR/>so I think as often as we hear of a case where they went to the rav and he said not to say anything that they would try to deal with it internally, there is another case where they went to the authorities and the authorities were negligent.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-24044806996509960372008-04-07T16:22:00.000+03:002008-04-07T16:22:00.000+03:00There may not be a haredi "acceptance committee," ...There may not be a haredi "acceptance committee," but there is a haredi society. The members of that society have chosen to ignore the problem until it became public. In many of the cases of abuse, the neighbors (haredi all), were aware of the problem, or that there was something amiss. However, there is no mechanism within haredi society to deal with these problems, and involving the proper authorities is discouraged.<BR/><BR/>So while each group has its crazies, it's how the rest of the group deals with them that the group is judged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com