tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post3928380726478158930..comments2024-03-29T11:40:46.477+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: Interesting Psak From Rav Elyashiv: Automatic Electricity Creates A Shabbos ProblemRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-40261259029749040022011-05-29T01:19:16.981+03:002011-05-29T01:19:16.981+03:00Who is allowed to speak to Rav Elyashiv.Does he re...Who is allowed to speak to Rav Elyashiv.Does he really get the proper information.There is Rav Halperin of the Machon Technology and Rav Rosen of Tzomet.How does he not get their input?<br />This is Rav Elashiv's responsibility.sechelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-84534677373152557172011-05-26T20:53:03.306+03:002011-05-26T20:53:03.306+03:00I am an electrical engineer working for the power ...I am an electrical engineer working for the power company here in Toronto so I know how this all works.<br /><br />Yes, usually solar generation (in fact all generators) provide electricity to the general grid where it is instantly shared and used by all(other than some small potential for hydro storage - not relevant for Israel).<br /><br />Rafi might have put his finger on the issue. I understand it, Bnei Brak, Telshe Stone and other such towns arrange things so that they electrically cut off from the main grid on Shabbat and use their own automatically operating (expensive diesel powered) generation instead.<br /><br />So, if this solar generation is to feed into the same isolated grid on Shabbat, I don't see what the difference would be. But if the Israel Electric Company insists that these solar units feed into the general power grid, then I can see the concern Maran might have le-shitatam.Michael Mirskynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-57503720974587387972011-05-26T13:22:20.296+03:002011-05-26T13:22:20.296+03:00I think you mean "solar fields", not &qu...I think you mean "solar fields", not "solarium fields". A solarium is a sunroom. (You may remember that George Costanza's fictional house in the Hampton's had two.)yoni r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-79239818649065463652011-05-26T13:20:02.936+03:002011-05-26T13:20:02.936+03:00In recent days experts went to Rav Elyashiv claimi...<i>In recent days experts went to Rav Elyashiv claiming that after an in-depth analysis of how the system works... the electric company has now transfers the new electricity automatically, putting it back into use immediately</i><br /><br />This is new information? This is how electricity always works. It must be put to use immediately. It seems that the new information related to something else entirely, perhaps what Danny Schoemann related to.yoni r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-10247933541104901562011-05-26T09:54:10.234+03:002011-05-26T09:54:10.234+03:00Fee-fi-foe-fum
I smell the blood of an Askan
Runn...Fee-fi-foe-fum<br />I smell the blood of an Askan<br /><br />Running Shabbat generators is BIG BUCKS and the solar farm would (1) lower the price of Shabbes electricity and (2) put many an Askan out of a lucrative business.<br /><br />If I were an owner of a Shabbes generator I would also move heaven and earth to revert the Psak of a Gadol; even if it means lying to another Gadol.Danny Schoemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13242699287595683509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-63798667158901105812011-05-25T19:57:13.512+03:002011-05-25T19:57:13.512+03:00Just wondering - is there any tzad to say that ele...Just wondering - is there any tzad to say that electricity generated by a solar pannel might be considered "Chama" or "Toldos Chama"? I admit that this could be more similar to a flame that's been caused by the sun, which has the Halacha of Aish, but if some arguement could be made that this is Toldos Chama, at least it's only a Derabanan, and not a Deoraisa - making the fact that Mechalelei Shabbos are using such electricity a positive, not a negative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-13372169803512339372011-05-25T16:06:29.429+03:002011-05-25T16:06:29.429+03:00This is an interesting psak.
I would think that e...This is an interesting psak.<br /><br />I would think that even Rav Elyashiv and Rav Chaim Kanievsky would agree that the electric company has to generate and provide electricity on Shabbos. If nothing else, it must be there for the benefit of newborns, the sick, and the elderly who need all kinds of medical equipment at home.<br /><br />They know as well that in order to do that, the electric cimpany must supply every grid, as it cannnot just direct the electricity to specific homes.<br /><br />Their issue is that they want the process automated to the greatest extent possible. Given that it's not automated to that extent, they feel that those who ar enot sick should avoid using it.<br /><br />Most certainly, Rav Elyashiv would not be in favor of the electric company shutting down for Shabbos. Nor would he be in favor of their ceasing electricity production over Shabbos.<br /><br />Perhaps someone told him that this system will lead to MORE chillul Shabbos?SDnoreply@blogger.com