tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post39791350714659196..comments2024-03-18T19:59:12.814+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: A Post-Election Update from TovRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-27379802160592100862008-12-24T13:32:00.000+02:002008-12-24T13:32:00.000+02:00Rafi- There are two types of Shas politicians: BTs...Rafi- There are two types of Shas politicians: <BR/>BTs whose kids go to Ashkenazi Charedi mosdos and those who grew up in Ashenazki Yeshivas and kids go to Ashkenazi mosdos.<BR/>Despite the fact that Shas has more seats then gimmel (at one point more than 3 times the amount) Shas has done nothing to end discrimination against Sephardim in Bais Yaakov or in Chadarim. The poiticians all use a system that views Sephardim as inferior, and they've internalized that idea. LHachazir Atarah LiYoshnah is there to make Sephardim frumer. It only makes the frum more Sephardi in a very limited Halachic context.Eli Dukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733438132131254422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-16936127130626726582008-12-24T12:20:00.000+02:002008-12-24T12:20:00.000+02:00"regardless, I did not understand why Abutbol, a s..."regardless, I did not understand why Abutbol, a sfardi, has a question of what to do about his coalition, and he goes to Rav Steinman? Why not go to Rav Ovadiah Yosef? How dependant on the ashkenazim does he really want to be?"<BR/><BR/>Rafi-the bottom line is that Abutbol knows he can always rely on the Sefardim both Chardei and Mesorati. He is trying to "court" and find favor with the Gimmel chevra thus he goes to Rav Shteinman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-88817412484839591602008-12-24T11:56:00.000+02:002008-12-24T11:56:00.000+02:00anonymous - who says they don't???regardless, I di...anonymous - who says they don't???<BR/><BR/>regardless, I did not understand why Abutbol, a sfardi, has a question of what to do about his coalition, and he goes to Rav Steinman? Why not go to Rav Ovadiah Yosef? How dependant on the ashkenazim does he really want to be?<BR/><BR/>What happened to shas' mantra of "lehachazir atara l'yoshna"?Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-68826391801066088052008-12-24T11:49:00.000+02:002008-12-24T11:49:00.000+02:00"Tov sources claim that Degel reps tried to pressu..."Tov sources claim that Degel reps tried to pressure R Shteinman to tell the Mayor not to bring Tov into the coalition. R Shteinman told Abutbul to not bring them in initially, but to wait a month."<BR/><BR/>More Chilul HaShem. <BR/><BR/>It amazes me tha more people don't go "off the derech" due to these mafioso tactics on the part of certain factions in the charedi community.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-50028978488391703392008-12-24T09:31:00.000+02:002008-12-24T09:31:00.000+02:00Anon-Although Gimmel ran on one list, after the el...Anon-Although Gimmel ran on one list, after the elections they split along 3 factions; Degel, Ger, and the other Chasidim (in this case-including Belz). They all enterned the coalition separately. <BR/>Tov sources claim that Degel reps tried to pressure R Shteinman to tell the Mayor not to bring Tov into the coalition. R Shteinman told Abutbul to not bring them in initially, but to wait a month.<BR/>Negotiations with Tov only commenced after the new city concil took office, and by then there wasn't much left to offer.Eli Dukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733438132131254422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-17190941533745516302008-12-24T00:37:00.000+02:002008-12-24T00:37:00.000+02:00Eli,I think the party that objects to Tov is Yahad...Eli,<BR/><BR/>I think the party that objects to Tov is Yahadut HaTorah, with 5 seats, not a two-seat factionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-40655429365691055182008-12-23T14:42:00.000+02:002008-12-23T14:42:00.000+02:00it is not support for jobs in the sense of "I'll g...it is not support for jobs in the sense of "I'll give you $50000 for your campaign and you give me all the building contracts of the city".<BR/>That would be corrupt.<BR/><BR/>This is support for jobs in the sense of "I (my party) will join your municipal coalition in exchange for the position of being in charge of the Department of Planning and Building, or the Department of Education". That is not corruption, but normal government management.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-34074127572258102132008-12-23T14:10:00.000+02:002008-12-23T14:10:00.000+02:00Support in exchange for jobs?Sounds corrupt to me....Support in exchange for jobs?<BR/>Sounds corrupt to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-36983141336123344652008-12-23T13:45:00.000+02:002008-12-23T13:45:00.000+02:00Interesting. Can anyone out there imagine a situa...Interesting. Can anyone out there imagine a situation that Chen got a seat, and BiYachad tried to pressure the Mayor to keep them out of the coalition?<BR/>It is scary that a two-seat faction appears to have a real hold over Abutbul. It is part of the irony that a party that it based on Sephardi pride has a real inferiority complex towards the Litvish.Eli Dukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733438132131254422noreply@blogger.com