tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post4313862858895328084..comments2024-03-28T21:53:53.990+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: Whom does the Torah protect?Rafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-46647767358160026602009-01-14T09:30:00.000+02:002009-01-14T09:30:00.000+02:00Rafi,2 points1. When I lived in Haifa during the (...Rafi,<BR/>2 points<BR/>1. When I lived in Haifa during the (2nd) Lebanon war, the bachurim in Nachalas Haleviim (the Haredi Yeshiva there) all stayed in the dorms and learned during the war (even though a Ketushya is scarier than a Grad). During the sirens, they went down a floor (Beis Midrash was on top floor). <BR/>2. I find this pretty sickening. If the Torah doesn't even protect them while they are learning (and we have Mekorot that someone cannot be injured while learning), then their argument that they don't serve in the army since their learning protects others is clearly bunk. Kal VeChomer: if it doesn't protect even themselves, so certainly not others!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-69998878148675613042009-01-11T19:55:00.000+02:002009-01-11T19:55:00.000+02:00I did not say anything abou tit until i saw this p...I did not say anything abou tit until i saw this psak differentiating between tifrach and the rest, and to a certain extent it even makes sense to me.<BR/><BR/>but I still have a problem with abandoning a city that is in danger (again, not including individuals with issues), whether it is torah related or not, but especially if it is torah related.<BR/><BR/>the truth is I was going to stop the post after explaining the difference beween tifrach and ashdod, but then I thought of the rest of it as I was writing it and could not stop myself....Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-87146874174061847292009-01-11T19:51:00.000+02:002009-01-11T19:51:00.000+02:00there is a difference between time of war and regu...there is a difference between time of war and regular life, isnt there? Durign the 6 day war, though i was not alive, i heard that there were plenty of chareidim that faught in the war to protect the yidden.<BR/><BR/>When someone has a heart attack, no one will say, quick, someone say a chiddush to save the guy. Clearly there is a time to learn and a time to be active in pikuach nefesh, and not to rely on learning. <BR/><BR/>So i think the pshat is that the learning protects them from regular dangers. Missiles falling from overhead is outside of the box of normal dangers. Hence, one needs to protect himself extra. Tifach being the exception.<BR/><BR/>Just out of curiosity, on the blogsphere where everyone "went to town" of the Roshei Yeshiva of those yeshivos that left, and on the whole chareidi community of merely paying lip service - did anyone come up with this svara, or was it merely all bashing the chareidim with out any realization that shailos were asked to gedolei haposkim? If the former, I am curious as to who thought of it, and who gave chareidim the benefit of the doubt. And if the latter, I am curious as to why chareidim dont deserve the benefit of the doubt, as we see here they certainly deserve, having asked a shaila and following to a T.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-57258435589048033142009-01-11T19:28:00.000+02:002009-01-11T19:28:00.000+02:00Mordechai - I know they have not. The issue was so...Mordechai - I know they have not. The issue was solely with the haredi yeshivot. The ones who claim to have no need to fear anything because of their torah learning, are the ones who are afraid... except in Tifrach.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-80866169322455618892009-01-11T19:26:00.000+02:002009-01-11T19:26:00.000+02:00Yeshivat Sderot hasn't moved.http://www.sderot.org...Yeshivat Sderot hasn't moved.<BR/><BR/>http://www.sderot.org/index.phpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-30165253780260324622009-01-11T15:24:00.000+02:002009-01-11T15:24:00.000+02:00Certainly, you are right on all points.Just thinki...Certainly, you are right on all points.<BR/><BR/>Just thinking out loud....Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-68015560905300410182009-01-11T15:16:00.000+02:002009-01-11T15:16:00.000+02:00I never went. I know some will say they will be pr...I never went. <BR/>I know some will say they will be protected. But going somewhere in teh zone is different than staying if you are there already. <BR/>Also, going for a yahrtzeit is different than learning in yeshiva.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-25979138672994025492009-01-11T15:14:00.000+02:002009-01-11T15:14:00.000+02:00B"HThere has been some reports about Netivoth, and...B"H<BR/><BR/>There has been some reports about Netivoth, and the lessening crowds at grave sites.<BR/><BR/>The Babba Salli's yartzeit is 4 Shevat. I wonder if there will be any activities this year. It's usually a huge event.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if police will allow anything.<BR/><BR/>Will people suggest that they will "be protected?"<BR/><BR/>Do you ever go yourself?<BR/><BR/>There's always a contingent from Tapua'h.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.com