tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post4462372918113474719..comments2024-03-29T06:05:20.562+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: Rav Avraham Yosef upsets the country with his statement against judgesRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-88754735165710627602010-08-24T23:50:55.913+03:002010-08-24T23:50:55.913+03:00"It seems freedom of speech is reserved only ..."It seems freedom of speech is reserved only for the left and for professors, but not for rabbonim."<br />nu, b'emet - there is no assumption that anyone has to follow the dictates of "leftists and professors", while there is such an assumption about a rav. therefore one hopes that a rav will be that more careful about what he says, and not carelessly say things that increase the likelihood of civil war...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-32154938185623457272010-08-24T23:22:09.220+03:002010-08-24T23:22:09.220+03:00yaak said. . ."Please correct me if I'm w...<i><br />yaak said. . ."Please correct me if I'm wrong."<br /></i><br />That is the impression I got as well.<br /><br /><i><br />Ben Waxman said. . . "Yosef wasn't talking about that at all. he doesn't the court, nequda."<br /></i><br />Perhaps.<br /><br /><i><br />"mapitom"<br /></i><br />Several major changes for the worse took place around that time, among them :<br /><b>Barak</b> was appointed head of the supreme court, and he radically changed the face/direction/focus of the supreme court. I had a roommate/flatmate who worked for supreme court judges Elon and Tal (both had Smicha) at the time, and he was very afraid for the future of the justice system in Israel.<br /><b>A "basic law"</b> was passed that enabled almost anyone to petition the supreme court. That affected a major change for the worse.<br /><b>Dan Meridor</b>, who was and is a very close family friend of current supreme court president Beinish, and shares her secular/legal outlook, was justice minister, and he affected major changes in the justice system and state prosecutors office, even Beilin was nowhere near as bad as he was.Yehudi Yerushalmihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14917865849403730511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-35349703551366419682010-08-24T17:53:54.186+03:002010-08-24T17:53:54.186+03:00The justice system is very different today than it...The justice system is very different today than it was 15 years ago.<br /><br />mapitom. back then the frum were screaming about the court just as loudly. plus the issue is not "is the court too left or too this or too that. yosef wasn't talking about that at all. he doesn't the court, nequda.Ben Waxmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-41955659512361535052010-08-24T17:39:55.295+03:002010-08-24T17:39:55.295+03:00I wasnt careful with the nuance of what he said. h...I wasnt careful with the nuance of what he said. have to check back to see if there is a difference...Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-59636734020480681912010-08-24T17:38:01.601+03:002010-08-24T17:38:01.601+03:00What I read yesterday is that he holds that those ...What I read yesterday is that he holds that those who send to secular schools cannot be a sheli'ah tzibbur - but still can be counted for a minyan.<br />The judges and those working for the prosecuter's office are those that cannot be counted for a minyan and for sure not a sheli'ah tzibbur.<br /><br />Please correct me if I'm wrong.yaakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08179304707239865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-16773224040438502972010-08-24T12:55:36.941+03:002010-08-24T12:55:36.941+03:00This sounds like something of a family fight since...This sounds like something of a family fight since his brother ruled that the sefardim have the right to go to the secular court in their cases against the slonim hassidim in emanuel.Ben Waxmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-52649688708515648262010-08-24T12:55:33.395+03:002010-08-24T12:55:33.395+03:00pointing to Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach who had a n...<i>pointing to Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach who had a number of judges and prosecutors davening in his minyan over the years</i><br /><br />The justice system is <b>very</b> different today than it was 15 years ago.<br /><br />I am sure that Rav Yosef was referring just as much to their "anti-Jewish" "agenda".Yehudi Yerushalmihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14917865849403730511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-36078123425108403612010-08-24T12:27:25.921+03:002010-08-24T12:27:25.921+03:00Rabbonim are allowed to say anything they want, bu...Rabbonim are allowed to say anything they want, but if what they say is stupid, it reflects on them and on their communities and followers.<br /><br />the gemara says that putting people in Cherem is done very sparingly, because otherwise, it loses its effectiveness. So too, Rabbonim who want to be leaders should use their power sparingly. Saying things like "Judges are not good jews", or "Accidents happen because there are homosexual people in Israel" are inane statements that reflect poorly on orthodox jews.Elliothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15203749527124021441noreply@blogger.com