tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post4726545953502910772..comments2024-03-28T21:53:53.990+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: will the extremists break ideology and vote in the coming Bet Shemesh elections? Rafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-44535687500883896932013-12-31T10:06:41.428+02:002013-12-31T10:06:41.428+02:00I think it'll make things more exciting if &qu...I think it'll make things more exciting if "they" vote.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-54081480982843295162013-12-30T19:28:33.970+02:002013-12-30T19:28:33.970+02:00Maybe this is a topic on which someone like Rabbi ...Maybe this is a topic on which someone like Rabbi Ari Enkin should write a halachah sefer, explaining all of the shitot!<br />;-)HaEmmet VeHashalomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14823912801674003698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-16876532253234248872013-12-30T18:54:46.148+02:002013-12-30T18:54:46.148+02:00But why are they so convinced that one of their ow...But why are they so convinced that one of their own is such a savior vs. a mayor like most of the country has, generally secular and balancing the needs of the entire city? Indeed, that was the only argument the Charedi parties could come up with this time, since otherwise they were admitting Abutbol had done such a poor job and they'd rather replace him except that would forgo the advantage you have with an incumbent.MiriamSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-81401900979092571882013-12-30T18:42:46.573+02:002013-12-30T18:42:46.573+02:00I think that also explains the double voting. Ther...I think that also explains the double voting. There were 4 parties that could have had a Halachic obligation to vote for them (Chas V'Shalom any other party). The only way to be humradict and get out of the shilo with Olam HaBah intact to be received by all of the of proper gedolim was to vote for each of them. ehwhyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06436676108396672275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-51246204927650272592013-12-30T18:04:28.572+02:002013-12-30T18:04:28.572+02:00Modern Chareidism isn't about religious belief...Modern Chareidism isn't about religious belief and practice but about ethnicity. The Chareidim in Beit Shemesh who are willing to cheat, steal and lie despite those being opposed to the Torah values they supposedly cherish will do so for the same reason a rapidly xenophobic group of Italians would do anything to get an Italian mayor elected: they want "one of ours" in power and they'll do anything, including betray all their famous core beliefs in the process because "one of ours" trumps any of them.Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-44159968714837755852013-12-30T17:49:26.418+02:002013-12-30T17:49:26.418+02:00But during/after the original elections the extrem...But during/after the original elections the extremists (at least some of them) publicized their (new?) ideology.<br /><br />One of the people questioned by Police was reported to have replied with something like: Some Rabbis told us that it is forbidden to vote in the elections, while other Rabbis told us that we are required to vote for the Chareidi parties; so we let someone else vote for us - that way, we weren't voting ourselves (in case voting is forbidden), but our votes were used for Chareidi parties (in case we are required to vote for them).<br /><br />I guess those of the extremists who sold their Teudot Zehut for election day viewed it as similar to Mechirat Chametz or something. They felt that if they can't do the act, but they can sell their TZs to someone who can, then they can fulfill both opinions on the topic!<br /><br />This could open up an entire area of new Halachic discussion and procedures on all sorts of issues.<br /><br />So, the extremists of Bet Shemesh may actually be Halachic innovators!<br /><br />Another first for Bet Shemesh.<br />;-)HaEmmet VeHashalomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14823912801674003698noreply@blogger.com