tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post4809520729778821449..comments2024-03-18T19:59:12.814+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: Women in tefillin shouldnt surprise or upset usRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-20640343578934697772014-02-10T17:43:44.294+02:002014-02-10T17:43:44.294+02:00But we are in a generation where the young new PC ...But we are in a generation where the young new PC and liberal is more acceptable. Need to proceed and not stay in the past. I think a lot of this new attitude is also getting rabbinical approval at some level, and if the conservative feminists do not strengthen, than for sure more of these new traditions will spread around.Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-20434182365812735982014-02-10T11:50:48.590+02:002014-02-10T11:50:48.590+02:00I would venture that the ladies that are doing thi...I would venture that the ladies that are doing this are not the ones with a a full knowledge of torah nor a high level of religious observance. These ladies may be educated, but are by and large lacking in all-encompassing torah knowledge and are looking to adopt externalities as a 'feel-good' measure. This cannot be compared to a man who has extensively studied all branches of torah shebichtav and be'al peh and is looking to grow even further in his *already full* mitzvah observance.yaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15004786543933637050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-50216311899911399812014-02-09T22:09:21.685+02:002014-02-09T22:09:21.685+02:00I admit to knowing nothing about that, but it make...I admit to knowing nothing about that, but it makes no difference to the point of the post.. so it started before BY, though it is still recent history.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-15574593964047575292014-02-09T20:49:17.969+02:002014-02-09T20:49:17.969+02:00You have bought into the Sara Shnirer / BY myth.
1...You have bought into the Sara Shnirer / BY myth.<br />100 years before Shnirer thought about it, JFS in London was admitting girls.<br />50 years before BY opened its doors, JFS was the largest Jewish school in Europe, probably the world with thousands of students.<br />There were similar, but smaller, schools in Germany, France etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-38678484682267693232014-02-09T18:16:32.268+02:002014-02-09T18:16:32.268+02:00Rafi,
Interesting theory but not supported by the...Rafi,<br /><br />Interesting theory but not supported by the facts. The Beis Yaakov movement started in the early 1900's in Poland and didn't come to the USA until much later (post war era). The girls in question are from Conservative homes which took roots in the USA in the 1880's. It is more plausible that the "trend" (if you can call 2 girls a trend) stems from Conservative Judaism and not Beis Yaakov. <br /><br />This is also likely the reason behind much of the opposition. Even if there is nothing wrong per'se with girls putting on tefillin the fact that a Conservative influence is being allowed in an Orthodox institution is what is unacceptable. This this is really nothing new as we find many examples of Orthodoxy staying away from practices that may have come from Conservative or Reform influences.Daninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-47847100028794228252014-02-09T17:48:28.784+02:002014-02-09T17:48:28.784+02:00I dont think they will ever become mainstream. too...I dont think they will ever become mainstream. too much work. I cant see it becoming the norm.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-32911501817474071582014-02-09T17:40:49.562+02:002014-02-09T17:40:49.562+02:00If the trend continues and the fringe becomes the ...If the trend continues and the fringe becomes the mainstream, then women donning talit and tefillin will become halacha. Women who then choose not, will be doing an avera. The pluralists don't really seem to care about women's rights, and if you bring it up, then the women who choose not to 'fight' are subservient to the male halacha.<br /><br />I recall a women who lived in our neighbourhood but became a member of the reform temple not nearby. When her father passed away, she was hounded by that temple to come be part of the minyan and say kaddish.Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-14301607611954991902014-02-09T16:01:32.176+02:002014-02-09T16:01:32.176+02:00Another point that I think is important: The Gemar...Another point that I think is important: The Gemara "paskens" that the reward is greater for one who is commanded and performs than for one who is not commanded and performs. However, no proof is brought for either opinion, and as we are often taught as children, only Hashem knows which "mitzvah" is most dear to him.<br /><br />There is logic to both sides in that debate, but no one at all says that the one who performs when not commanded does not receive any reward at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-86644127387635212102014-02-09T15:41:36.151+02:002014-02-09T15:41:36.151+02:00I agree, it happens everywhere and is true in many...I agree, it happens everywhere and is true in many aspects of society, but I only wanted to address the issue of religious JudaismRafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-11002619290651447502014-02-09T14:48:00.274+02:002014-02-09T14:48:00.274+02:00Good point. But I think it goes way beyond Sara Sh...Good point. But I think it goes way beyond Sara Shnirer and the Beis Yaakov movement. The place of women in the general world around us has changed radically in the past 100 or so years. Women rarely went to university 100 years ago, rarely worked in professions (other than teaching), and often did not work out of the house at all. Today, I believe that women outnumber men in universities and law schools, and are well established in other professions. It's natural that when women are treated entirely as equals in the rest of their lives, at least some women should strive to break out of the traditional roles and limitations that a part of their spiritual lives.<br /><br />Somehow, at least for the men, this has all gotten tied up with our attitudes to feminism and modernity, and it seems to be threatening to at least some men in a way that I think seems to go way beyond whatever halachic issues may or may not be raised. I think we should at least try to understand why this is happening, as the post does a nice job of explaining, leave the rest to the women and the poskim, and find something more useful to obsess about.Baruch Gitlinnoreply@blogger.com