tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post5457945442126893898..comments2024-03-29T11:40:46.477+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: is it anti-haredism or not?Rafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-52688599736911649552009-07-17T01:31:11.310+03:002009-07-17T01:31:11.310+03:00'Fortunately, the communities in RBS (Aleph!) ...'Fortunately, the communities in RBS (Aleph!) wouldn't obey the rabbonim if they told them to burn trash in the streets. '<br /><br />Are you so certain that they wouldn't listen?<br /><br />Didn't local parents keep their kids in the schools employing molesters based on their rabbonim?<br /><br /><br /><br />I'd much prefer if the rabbonim would care more for the children than the garbage bins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-20455728594971135712009-07-16T22:36:21.147+03:002009-07-16T22:36:21.147+03:00Rabbinic Role Models
Here Here!
You are absolute...Rabbinic Role Models <br />Here Here!<br /><br />You are absolutely right.<br /><br />There are clear parallels between how the Aida Chareidit are dealing with this case (mother suspected of abusing her child) by rallying to defend the accused perp and lashing out (calling them "Chareidi bashers") at the doctors, the police, the State, the media etc... - and our own cases in RBS where several Chareidi rabbonim have rallied to defend the alleged child abusers, by lashing out (calling them "Chareidi bashers") at the kids' parents, David Morris, Lema'an Achai, the JPost..etc..<br /><br />Fortunately, the communities in RBS (Aleph!) wouldn't obey the rabbonim if they told them to burn trash in the streets. <br /><br />That's the only difference I see.<br /><br />Don't any of these characters recognize that the real losers in these staged conflagrations are today's Victims of Abuse - and, inevitably in these communities, Tomorrow's Victims also??Parallelsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-77560510925066369552009-07-16T20:14:52.712+03:002009-07-16T20:14:52.712+03:00I read an article where the rioters claimed the ki...I read an article where the rioters claimed the kid has cancer, but that the kid's doctor denied it. Blood-libel my foot!Moshe B.http://www.sefer-torah.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-18620308674748268912009-07-16T17:02:35.491+03:002009-07-16T17:02:35.491+03:00Why shouldn't they riot? It's their G-d -...Why shouldn't they riot? It's their G-d - given right!<br />And besides, it's worked so well in the past, why not keep doing it?<br /><br />The Hareidi establishment has officially become a bunch of Al Sharptons...Ely Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-81831084842848067402009-07-16T14:58:23.275+03:002009-07-16T14:58:23.275+03:00Rabbinic Role Models-
How right you are!
Not onl...Rabbinic Role Models-<br /><br />How right you are!<br /><br />Not only is the similarity in the over reaction but look at the method of blaming the "victim" as well.<br /><br />In the local molestation cases the victims and their families were made into the evil ones.<br /><br />So too with this mother...it was the hosptal (and police, welfare,etc) who made this up in order to cover their mistreating the child.<br /><br />The parallels in these incidents are scary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-21867829704315489452009-07-16T14:42:52.410+03:002009-07-16T14:42:52.410+03:00While sometimes more subtle than others Charedi ta...While sometimes more subtle than others Charedi tactics share a common thread:<br /><br />Smoke screen the real issue by over reacting and cry persecution.<br /><br />The riots now, the riots in yerushalyim about parking (although some form of protest in honor of Shabbat, not against the secular, is understandable).<br /><br />The most recent Jerusalem Post about molestation caused an over reaction by oir own local Charedi rabbonim. <br /><br />Rather than admitting that there is a problem, the rabbonim (all Charedi if I recall) went on a rampage against David Morris, Lema'an Achai and common sense. Using Jonathan Rosenblum as their mouthpiece they "protested" saying that it was nothing more than a war against the rabbonim.<br /><br />A subtle form of smoke screen to cover the real issue just like rioting covers up the possibility that this woman may be sick and may have harmed her child.<br /><br />If the anglo rabbonim of RBSA can react to child molestation in an in appropriate manner why are wesupsrised that the even more kitzoni factions will riot against what they perceive as an "attack" on them?Rabbinic Role Modelsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-47139934456026778212009-07-16T14:30:00.137+03:002009-07-16T14:30:00.137+03:00anon - 1. I was not aware she was already in jail ...anon - 1. I was not aware she was already in jail for a week. As I said, I did not pay attention to the details and specifics of the case.<br />2. the haredim often win, but with politics, not violence. I am referring to political power held and used by Shas and UTJ. not violence of the Eida.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-53048945455932453962009-07-16T14:28:23.926+03:002009-07-16T14:28:23.926+03:00today in Bet:
the traffic circle right past Magen...today in Bet:<br /><br />the traffic circle right past Magen Avot: burnt garbage, burnt grass inside the traffic circle, and gravel strewn everywhere (causing inconvience to the cars driving by).<br /><br />Yesterday, we were not allowed to enter Bet to pick up our sons from school. We had to walk in...<br /><br />am so glad I moved to the Rama.MrsRBSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-11211225462147617942009-07-16T14:25:59.257+03:002009-07-16T14:25:59.257+03:00Rafi G. said...
but the haredim often win their ca...Rafi G. said...<br />but the haredim often win their causes. the dati leumi almost always lose theirs.<br /><br />July 16, 2009 1:50 PM<br /><br />so the violence does accomplish something<br /><br />furthermore this lady was in jail for about a week before the riots started so apparently the conventional methods didn't work. what to do then???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-77675973929259175862009-07-16T13:50:13.299+03:002009-07-16T13:50:13.299+03:00but the haredim often win their causes. the dati l...but the haredim often win their causes. the dati leumi almost always lose theirs.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-34907260090912622552009-07-16T13:48:19.257+03:002009-07-16T13:48:19.257+03:00It amazes me that the highest profile chareidi act...It amazes me that the highest profile chareidi activists take up such uninspiring, and generally self-defeating, causes:<br /><br />1. Graves (in the way of new roads).<br />2. Child abusers (get them off the hook, to abuse other chareidi kids).<br />3. Still-warm dead bodies (so that, if there was foul play, it goes undetected, unpunished, and can be repeated).<br />4. Car Parks (so that people anyway driving on shabbos have to park in dangerous locations or cause public nuisance).<br /><br />Dati Leumi causes are far more inspiring - give me Orange any day, rather than Black.Bad Causesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-59329072791218017702009-07-16T13:30:56.480+03:002009-07-16T13:30:56.480+03:00"Nothing is accomplished by violence"
..."Nothing is accomplished by violence"<br /><br /><br />Thats only true in a civilized society. In israel, thats the ONLY way to accomplish anythingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-58069002826072936452009-07-16T11:03:22.431+03:002009-07-16T11:03:22.431+03:00You know this question doesn't really get an E...You know this question doesn't really get an Eida answer: <br /><br /><i>And even if the "Eida" claims are 100% correct....why does that give anyone a right to riot and destroy jerusalem?</i><br /><br />It's well known that riots are one of their well-worn techniques.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-18382210029287785062009-07-16T10:36:13.495+03:002009-07-16T10:36:13.495+03:00(speechless)(speechless)Shaul Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13657787388625188732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-90963849645627442462009-07-16T10:24:31.381+03:002009-07-16T10:24:31.381+03:00Michael - I heard him right after the riots had st...Michael - I heard him right after the riots had started. maybe he truly did not yet understand and have a position. I was actually very surprised he was so objective when he usually is not.<br />I guess by the time you heard him he had gone back to his usual style...Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-84623260231314138972009-07-16T10:21:13.082+03:002009-07-16T10:21:13.082+03:00I heard Rav Eichler on the radio last night only f...I heard Rav Eichler on the radio last night only for a few minutes, bur from what I heard he has taken a very different stand from the way you described him a few nights ago.<br /><br />I was talking about the "Zionist-Conquerors" and comparing thgem to the Romans who also conquered Jerusalem and attacked the G-d fearing Jews.<br /><br />He talked about 'war" and sacrifices that we must make for the larger battle, similar to the sacrifices that Palestinians are making for their cause.<br /><br />I normally enjoy Rav Eichlers show, even though I often disagree with him, but last night I thought that he was way off mark.<br /><br />I went with my son to Mea Sharim yesterday to buy Tfilin - not a pretty site - not sure how to explain this situation to a soon-to-be Bar Mitzva boy. I blogged about it here:<br />http://betweenjerusalemandtelaviv.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-can-i-explain-this-to-my-son.htmlMichael Sedleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02684514303911193073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-71096562715963486702009-07-16T09:49:09.004+03:002009-07-16T09:49:09.004+03:00look, even when the authorities are 100% wrong and...look, even when the authorities are 100% wrong and evil - like the british in India and the honkies in Alabama. <br /><br />NOTHING is accomplished by wanton violence.<br /><br />The rioting of 1968 did not get the blacks anything, it only set them back a few years.<br /><br />But the peaceful protests of smart goyim like Gandhi and MLK accomplished tons.<br /><br />It is simple but profound: When you know the truth is on your side - and you persist calmly with the truth, the truth will prevail. (not by by fire said the Lord of Hosts, rather, a Kol demomo daka) Remember what Yoda (another goy)told Luke - patience dear luke, patience. Anger only gives gibui to the dark side.<br /><br />If you do not know that the truth is on your side - then you resort to violence and other nonsense.<br /><br />Patience dear Luke, Patience.garfieldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-2907432424764111082009-07-16T09:42:24.645+03:002009-07-16T09:42:24.645+03:00aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!<br /><br />Excuse me while I go pull my hair out.garfieldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-16628448099275974562009-07-16T09:30:21.590+03:002009-07-16T09:30:21.590+03:00Although I heard Poppenheim claim on the radio tha...Although I heard Poppenheim claim on the radio that the child had been receiving chemo for almost a year at Hadassah, the hospital denied that. Seems like it ought to be pretty easy to confirm...Mikeagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15827275300296295639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-65082837518981757702009-07-16T09:10:14.061+03:002009-07-16T09:10:14.061+03:00anon - what does that have to do with rioting? sue...anon - what does that have to do with rioting? sue the hospital for millions if that is the case. hundreds of millions. but rioting?Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-82937344533771240972009-07-16T09:07:37.764+03:002009-07-16T09:07:37.764+03:00Rafi, why are they protesting? They could have ju...Rafi, why are they protesting? They could have just given to Kupat HaIr?Earn money from homenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-45026387455200147222009-07-16T08:48:10.789+03:002009-07-16T08:48:10.789+03:00I have read on some sites that they claim the hosp...I have read on some sites that they claim the hospital misdiagnosed the child with cancer (I even saw which Drs supposedly did this) and gave chemo to the baby for a few months. When they chaaped what happened, they tried to cover up for themselves. Things started to make less and less sensse, so the lady started questioning things. It slipped out that it was a misdiagnosis and she started to talk about a lawyer and advice etc, and they told her to drop it, or else..... and this is the result of that - that they made up some story. She took the tube out bc she doent trust them anymore etc.<br /><br />True or not? I dont know. Doubt we will ever find out, like we didnt find out in the Vallis case. But unfortunately it would not be a complete shock if this unfortunate turn of events was true. Hospitals and Drs in the whole world are known for trying to cover up, even more so hereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-52808519160736004312009-07-16T07:28:09.662+03:002009-07-16T07:28:09.662+03:00you ask bout taking legal means. i think the bigg...you ask bout taking legal means. i think the bigger question is, if these people are truly concerned about the Torah, why are theybeing "over on so many isssurei dioraysa to make their point. gezel mamon, gezel zman, gezel shina, hezek, ona'a, loshon horah/motzei shem ra, sakans nefashos, etc?shaya gnoreply@blogger.com