tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post5928821806813345202..comments2024-03-18T19:59:12.814+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: The girls deserved to be punishedRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-65081022590288070672007-04-21T23:31:00.000+03:002007-04-21T23:31:00.000+03:00dan - I agree. I often say the same when I hear so...dan - I agree. I often say the same when I hear someone use that excuse of something being non-Jewish in its source...Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-25647531745164480962007-04-20T18:57:00.000+03:002007-04-20T18:57:00.000+03:00I so do not understand why a moment of silence is ...I so do not understand why a moment of silence is a non-jewish influence that is bad. After all the christianization of judaism and other non-jewish influences; a moment of silence is what they reject? And who even knows if it is a non-jewish influence to begin with. <BR/><BR/>If they want to take out non-jewish influences you could start by loosing the black hats and streimels and bekeshas...all which were adopted from fancy non-jewish mode of dress....to say nothing of the new jewish versions of heaven and hell, views on sex and women, and on and on and on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-43710147325072994422007-04-20T09:47:00.000+03:002007-04-20T09:47:00.000+03:00I appreciate your approach to the matter - the dif...I appreciate your approach to the matter - the differences between being in public/private, etc.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure I agree that the girls should be punished in this case - perhaps in a different situation mere disobedience is a good enough reason for punishment, but I think this is something more. <BR/><BR/>Either way, saying tehillim as punishment definitely is not the right consequence - any educator worth anything will tell you that that's just going to associate tehillim with bad moments and create animosity. Having to stay an extra minute after everyone else leaves and continuing to work for the minute they "wasted" would make much more sense.Robbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14332398432260922008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-45539787446965004932007-04-20T06:21:00.000+03:002007-04-20T06:21:00.000+03:00shaya - as a parent you must be aware of situation...shaya - as a parent you must be aware of situations where your kid does something that deserves to be punished, but you feel it is better to ignore it. The punishment is still deserved, meaning the action was wrong. You choose to ignore because you feel there is more to gain by ignoring.<BR/><BR/>So, as I said, I would not discuss the punishment - maybe ignoring would have been better. I do not know. They publicly challenged the teacher. Maybe the teacher could not ignore. We probably do not know all the circumstances. Newspaper articles rarely get the details accurately.<BR/><BR/>And as you said - you would have stood to see what the teacher would do...<BR/><BR/>social - Israeli haredi high schools are very different even from the frummest of sems. The sem principal has a mixture of girels from all sorts of backgrounds and has to worry that a parent paying $16000 or more for a year in camp Israel will be upset, so they have to find some sort of pareve method.<BR/>That is not true for an Israeli Bais Yaakov high school.<BR/><BR/>Jacob - thanks.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-10727961702671350272007-04-20T06:10:00.000+03:002007-04-20T06:10:00.000+03:00Rafi, very well said.I like esp. your response to ...Rafi, very well said.<BR/><BR/>I like esp. your response to your daughter. I hope I will be able to answer my children as eloquently as you have to yours.<BR/><BR/>BTW, Good luck in the JiB awards. I'll be voting for ya!Jacob Da Jewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03271564852032891769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-13003756849825181422007-04-20T05:10:00.000+03:002007-04-20T05:10:00.000+03:00It was definitely the wrong thing for the school t...It was definitely the wrong thing for the school to punish the girls. When I was in sem the school told us to stand still and say tehillim, this wasn't a zionistic school.socialworker/frustrated momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10352262399235382201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-41922466080988970192007-04-20T03:56:00.000+03:002007-04-20T03:56:00.000+03:00of course, I would have stood, just to see what th...of course, I would have stood, just to see what the teacher would do. I wasn't that much of an idealist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-36482309992791764962007-04-20T03:55:00.000+03:002007-04-20T03:55:00.000+03:00I, too, would have stood regardless of the consequ...I, too, would have stood regardless of the consequences. A better response by the principal and teacher would have been to IGNORE the girls and their behavior. As they are not throwing spitballs or making others follow their lead, it would have been better to shrug it off. <BR/><BR/>Either way, dad says that the time for zealousness is your teens when you are young, strong, and a little on the stubborn side. we excuse all sorts of "frummie" behavior because of "meetoch", we should do the same here. maybe (probably) part of their decision was to push the teacher. so what. The action they did is an acceptable one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com