tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post6174491000387847429..comments2024-03-29T11:40:46.477+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: They did not get their glatt food, and she fainted..Rafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-60692450956970297962009-02-15T15:07:00.000+02:002009-02-15T15:07:00.000+02:00We live in such an age of compensation claims, peo...We live in such an age of compensation claims, people have forgotten to take any personal responsibility.<BR/>I find it hard to believe that there was absolutely nothing that this woman could eat on the plane, not even a can of coke or orange juice. With a bit of effort, I'm sure she could have found something to eat. And if her kashrut requirements are going to be so strict, then she should always travel with her own food.<BR/>It's behaviour like this that makes people lose patience with 'frummers'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-18417562779334171882009-02-15T10:53:00.000+02:002009-02-15T10:53:00.000+02:00"and not the full some requested"should read "and ..."and not the full some requested"<BR/>should read "and not the full sum requested".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-4582563544599413072009-02-15T10:47:00.000+02:002009-02-15T10:47:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-53549213793501441732009-02-15T06:54:00.000+02:002009-02-15T06:54:00.000+02:00Anyone noticed how YNet has a habit of running ant...Anyone noticed how YNet has a habit of running anti-hareidi stories over Shabbos, when the hareidim can't respond to their stupid talkbackers?<BR/><BR/>One "chochom" claims that she should have eaten everything except the meat - sigh . . .<BR/><BR/>I think a lawsuit for fainting is going too far. A lawsuit against a meal I understand though - happens all the time and the airlines just don't care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-28755507646509665682009-02-15T00:24:00.000+02:002009-02-15T00:24:00.000+02:00It's a ridiculous lawsuit and the airline was sill...It's a ridiculous lawsuit and the airline was silly for letting it go that far. Most airlines have a customer relations dept to deal with this stuff. <BR/><BR/>It happned to me once. I wrote to their Cust Service dept, they sent me a nice letter of apology along with a $200 voucher for my next flight. End of story.Wanna Saabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11564440024185263043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-55253967958789064812009-02-13T14:34:00.000+02:002009-02-13T14:34:00.000+02:00I think what would be even more funny is when they...I think what would be even more funny is when they find out that the super duper kosher food was really traifa catfood! So much for trusting everyone! What do you think Monsey, NY?M b Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13204850296933266367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-70582600434385462372009-02-13T10:12:00.000+02:002009-02-13T10:12:00.000+02:00maybe that is why she was awarded less than reques...maybe that is why she was awarded less than requested?Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-65119627902937085462009-02-13T10:00:00.000+02:002009-02-13T10:00:00.000+02:00There is a concept in contract law called הקטנת הנ...There is a concept in contract law called הקטנת הנזק- if Israir breached their contract, the woman nevertheless has the obligation to minimize any damage that results from the breach. I would think that eating other foods would fall in this category.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-25106464562616369852009-02-13T09:25:00.000+02:002009-02-13T09:25:00.000+02:00The last time I flew Arkia they showed an anti-rel...The last time I flew Arkia they showed an anti-religious movie portraying hareidim as vicious and narrow minded and that included explicit lesbian content between seminary girls. If goyim showed this it would be a big deal and the ADL would go nuts, but if it's Israelis nobody cares. Israeli airlines claim to be "Jewish" but are basically Jewish in name only. Not much of a kiddush Hashem to the world huh?<BR/><BR/>I take their side here given the context of anti-religious bias shown by the airlines. If it were not for hareidi protests and anger (and me being M.O.) there would be no Judaism or kosher food on our airlines at all anymore, I truly believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-70554354667234988602009-02-13T02:48:00.000+02:002009-02-13T02:48:00.000+02:00what hapened on your flight? or do you not want yo...what hapened on your flight? or do you not want your wife to know??? :-)<BR/><BR/>obviously the article is short on details, and if the court awarded him 3000 it is not just for the price of a meal, or that would have had to be a pretty good steak! I guess the meal is part of the contractual obligation. I never read the fine print on the ticket when I flew, but maybe somewhere in the purchase arrangement, the meal orderd is mentioned as part of the contract. if they are not obligated to provide any meal, how can they be sued for glatt?Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-75159941176967997382009-02-13T02:43:00.001+02:002009-02-13T02:43:00.001+02:00btw, after my recent fligh i'm all for el al's meh...btw, after my recent fligh i'm all for el al's mehadrin flights<BR/><BR/>--LOZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-4975019601069439712009-02-13T02:43:00.000+02:002009-02-13T02:43:00.000+02:00i once had a lab instructor who gave us problems m...i once had a lab instructor who gave us problems making up a disection we missed because of a chag. "i'm jewish but i'll be here, so why can't you come" she asked. i wanted to tell her that when she gets semicha she can pasken for me, but until then my rav tells me not to come to school on the chag. i hate it when non-religous people pasken for me.<BR/><BR/>so on one level i'm glad the court put the airline in its place. who are they pasken and to say she should have eaten non-glatt.<BR/><BR/>on the other hand she's an idiot. healthy people don't faint because they didn't eat for 12 hours. now if she was not healthy (e.g., diabetic) and fasted, then it is her fault for putting her life at risk. and even if she couldn't eat the meat part of the meal, what about the rest of it (no glatt issues)? or snacks?<BR/><BR/>and the court is an idiot also.<BR/>a) go proove she fainted because she fasted<BR/>b) why is israir *obligated* to provide her with a specific meal? (where is this in the fine print on the ticket?)<BR/>c) her meal didn't cost NIS 3k<BR/><BR/>incindenally, i switched my recent flight to an earlier flight with only 3 hours to spare. they couldn't reserve me a special meal, but they did have extra kosher meals and they gave me one. on the other hand the enterainment system was broken (and one reason i was looking foward to the flight was the 300 movies on demand). maybe i should sue.<BR/><BR/>-LOZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-68175098239170640552009-02-12T23:08:00.000+02:002009-02-12T23:08:00.000+02:00On principle it's a good decision although in term...On principle it's a good decision although in terms of the actual nezek it's very hard to show that the fainting <I>clearly</I> was the result of the food - people faint for all kinds of reasons and not eating for 12 hours isn't so extreme as to establish certainty. Some people faint from other flight related issues so it seems to me a very nightmarish precedent for the airlines. <BR/><BR/>Don't forget that in halachah, hamotzi mehavero alav haraiya so it's really not poshut that they should be getting money for that particular injury. It might even be osur to take the money. <BR/><BR/>Also, gramma - indirect causation - is potur in nezikin so I can't see how al pi halachah the claim could be upheld.<BR/><BR/>Just thinking aloud...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-53826015523318332932009-02-12T20:40:00.000+02:002009-02-12T20:40:00.000+02:00another ridiculous lawsuit.this all started with t...another ridiculous lawsuit.<BR/><BR/>this all started with the lawsuit against Mcdonalds for serving coffee that was TOO HOT.<BR/><BR/>Ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-38654865838358542822009-02-12T20:37:00.000+02:002009-02-12T20:37:00.000+02:00obviously most of the details of the story are mis...obviously most of the details of the story are missing, but if they owed her a glatt meal, they had to give it to her. Maybe that is why they only were awarded 3000 instead of 18000... and I guess the courts did not find that eating crackers is a reasonable alternative to the ordered glatt mealRafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-20113286598626143532009-02-12T20:32:00.000+02:002009-02-12T20:32:00.000+02:00SHE FAINTED WHY? NO JUICE OR CRACKERS WERE SERVED...SHE FAINTED WHY? NO JUICE OR CRACKERS WERE SERVED? <BR/><BR/>while israeli air agreed to serve her glatt, was there NOTHING she could have eaten to dispel her hunger? no vegetarian or fish or dairy meal available? something sounds fishy to me......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com