tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post6236713234521921689..comments2024-03-29T06:05:20.562+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: the de-haredization of a neighborhoodRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-39062866622125452502007-11-30T06:09:00.000+02:002007-11-30T06:09:00.000+02:00MR - I did not see the article online. I saw it in...MR - I did not see the article online. I saw it in a newspaper (th eold fashioned paper based type). <BR/><BR/>However, RHM found it online and linked to it <A HREF="http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/11/29/are-there-limits-to-the-exercise-of-power/" REL="nofollow">here</A>Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-88827750963110892692007-11-30T04:59:00.000+02:002007-11-30T04:59:00.000+02:00Wow. And important post.Can you please post a link...Wow. And important post.<BR/><BR/>Can you please post a link to Jonathan Rosenblum's column?M.R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01871988896906196843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-70503122517377397032007-11-29T18:21:00.000+02:002007-11-29T18:21:00.000+02:00B"H "They" maybe moving into into the neighborhoo...B"H "They" maybe moving into into the neighborhood, for the same reason I want to: It's frumer thatn most datti leumi neighborhoods. Mixed education? I don't know of any d"l's in G. Sha'ul who want mixed education. No'am Boys's is in G. Sha'ul already. (Granted, it's got to get rid of its female teachers, but in all fairness, there aren't enough men who want to teach limudei hol or even in lower grades at all.) Some send their kids to Morasha, also in the neighborhood. There are also other Talmudei Torah in the area or in Bayit veGan. not so far away.<BR/><BR/>There is that one last bashion of mamlachti idiocy. It's called B'nei Aqiva, and the snif is on Ben-Tzion by the Emunah building.<BR/><BR/>the Ariel youth group was founded by none other thatn Merkaz students who didn't think that BA was frum enough for their kids.<BR/><BR/>I'm reaally surprised by this notice. I'm wondering if there worrid more about the seriously religious datti leuminiqs, than the hafifniqs, because the serious ones are actually knowledgeable and have Torah reasoning behind their ideology (whether others agree with it or not is not the point), and simply do not tout silly mamlachti phrases.<BR/><BR/>Those Haredim behind the posters do not want their kids influenced by those who are actually knowledgeable.<BR/><BR/>They shoud worry, though, the REAL religious datti leumi tpes aren't so enthusiastic about army service, it's that's a concern.<BR/><BR/>Glad to hear the 15a is mehadrin. It's about time!Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-82687658979713854032007-11-29T09:49:00.000+02:002007-11-29T09:49:00.000+02:00maybe it is technically illegal, but I think by th...maybe it is technically illegal, but I think by the time they move in at that level and take over, I think most of the residents who might otherwise sue, have already moved out..<BR/><BR/>Maybe there have been cases in court. I remember hearing about it. Usually regarding road closings or local stores being shut down... but offhand I do not remember any specifics.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-75244075317966894982007-11-29T09:47:00.000+02:002007-11-29T09:47:00.000+02:00Wow. Reading this is an eye opener. I can't even i...Wow. Reading this is an eye opener. I can't even imagine what would happen if fundamentalist christians began behaving this way in the U.S.<BR/><BR/>Why is it not illegal for the Hardim to do this (take over whole towns and impose their religious beliefs on everyone else)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-62430442204633349542007-11-27T19:34:00.000+02:002007-11-27T19:34:00.000+02:00cx - what do you mean it does "not" fit in? If th...cx - what do you mean it does "not" fit in? If the community wants it, then it does fit in! The fact is that many chareidi schools and shules were built, without fitting in and people didn't put up these notices blasting their "chumra" and "yehoora'dika" ways. <BR/><BR/>If people can get the funds together and they request that product, then it fits and maynbe the "old gaurd" should either accept it or move on. Obviously change is on the way.<BR/><BR/>And please do not come back and argue, "well, if they want a porn shop - should they get it too"? one is knegged halacha and one isn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-46283986025143251202007-11-27T17:31:00.000+02:002007-11-27T17:31:00.000+02:00Hareidim and Hardalim live in peace in Givat Shaul...Hareidim and Hardalim live in peace in Givat Shaul. I believe that the pashkevil came about because they want to build a building for Beit Sefer Noam near Migdalei Shaul. It really does not fit in with the neighborhood.Cosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-46897415846529660112007-11-27T16:55:00.000+02:002007-11-27T16:55:00.000+02:00Thank you - this is something that needs being sai...Thank you - this is something that needs being said. Now it just needs to be said where the people most closely involved will read it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-19575717261997893632007-11-27T10:20:00.000+02:002007-11-27T10:20:00.000+02:00you live in Givat Shaul? We lived there for a year...you live in Givat Shaul? We lived there for a year when we first got married..... it is a very yerushalmi/haredi neighborhood. Though the top of the neighborhood is more mixed as it gets closer to Kiryat Moshe...Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-84188395098746366262007-11-27T10:17:00.000+02:002007-11-27T10:17:00.000+02:00I am from that area and its scary to hear this. In...I am from that area and its scary to hear this. In my building is a nice mix and davka because its a mix, no one seems to have the "upper hand" on anyone else.<BR/><BR/>However I did notice recently that they changed bus 15a into a mehadrin bus. Wow. I am so nervous. <BR/><BR/>(partially because I know I don't look 'eastern european shtetl -like and so I know i'll be one of the first to take the brunt of whatever they want to throw out! yes, I know what some readers are thinking, its not like that. Hey, I have learned hate =hate)Miriamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06067406973014144499noreply@blogger.com