tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post6349120294984165915..comments2024-03-18T19:59:12.814+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: 11 year old ruleRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-57164761934882435862009-02-10T23:52:00.000+02:002009-02-10T23:52:00.000+02:00i don't think respecting your elders in the torah ...i don't think respecting your elders in the torah starts at age 40, but yelling at strangers might be onaat devarim if you're looking for a mitzvaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-47064364212080646602009-02-10T11:16:00.000+02:002009-02-10T11:16:00.000+02:00Let them deal with their own life...and you with y...Let them deal with their own life...and you with your own...Haddockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11471186352500011863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-72528715245939530202009-02-09T22:40:00.000+02:002009-02-09T22:40:00.000+02:00Heh. If it were me (and I were female), I would h...Heh. If it were me (and I were female), I would have gotten up and sat down right next to the brat. :)<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-671525288081879912009-02-09T19:49:00.000+02:002009-02-09T19:49:00.000+02:00none of the local netzigim of gimmel are like that...none of the local netzigim of gimmel are like that. I protest that comment. The people they listen to are, but they themselves are not.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-18217706202882724922009-02-09T19:37:00.000+02:002009-02-09T19:37:00.000+02:00SuperRaizy said... It is appalling that women c...SuperRaizy said...<BR/><BR/> It is appalling that women can be treated so disrespectfully. That boy will probably grow up to treat his own wife and daughters dreadfully.<BR/><BR/>He will also probably grow up to be the local netzig of "gimmel".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-52416778132438384972009-02-09T19:27:00.000+02:002009-02-09T19:27:00.000+02:00My parents visited Israel this past Succos.They ar...My parents visited Israel this past Succos.They are both in their seventies. My father doesn't walk well and many times needs somebody to help him with his balance.<BR/>They went on a bus, I assume a mehadrin or whatever it's called from Bnie Braq to Yerushalim, and sat down in the nearest seat. They were harrassed by some guy ,telling my mother she could not sit down next to my father.<BR/>My father told my mother to stay put and ignored the guy,but he kept up telling my mother to move.<BR/>I just wish I was there, as I would have beat him to a pulp.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-19641536451742150502009-02-09T18:49:00.000+02:002009-02-09T18:49:00.000+02:00Pesky,Yep.Pesky,<BR/><BR/>Yep.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-85892970962524846342009-02-09T18:38:00.000+02:002009-02-09T18:38:00.000+02:00I still think that the level of isolation a commun...<I>I still think that the level of isolation a community expects plays a part. Now after a generation, this 11 yo thinks that what he's doing is OK outside of his isolated area {and inside}. He didn't just wake up and decide to do this. He got it from somewhere.</I><BR/><BR/>It's also enforced when the only person saying anything is the bus driver. If none of the men on the bus gave this brat a smack upside the head and told to show some Derech Eretz, then why SHOULD he stop.Pesky Settlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03077745747562609723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-18814217363809329912009-02-09T16:43:00.000+02:002009-02-09T16:43:00.000+02:00post a picture of the kid and find out who he is.....post a picture of the kid and find out who he is....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-62492453297603267962009-02-09T16:12:00.000+02:002009-02-09T16:12:00.000+02:00as I said, the gerrers are into this stuff, but th...as I said, the gerrers are into this stuff, but they generally keep it within their own community....Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-45492741432233812202009-02-09T15:59:00.000+02:002009-02-09T15:59:00.000+02:00OK. Yeah, I really have no clue about Beth Shemes...OK. Yeah, I really have no clue about Beth Shemesh geography, so thanks for correcting me.<BR/><BR/>I wasn't going to say it. You did. Q. Sefer has a very different make up that BS. <BR/><BR/>מי שמבין יבין.<BR/><BR/>So, my theory about the desire for isolation doesn't hold at all? It's just about schmuckiness?<BR/><BR/>Yeah, well, when I was working at an I-Net cafe, with a mostly religious clientele, I got hit by an independent mishmeres hatzni'us, run by a meshuganah Gerer Hassid, but included Toldos Aharon/AY guys, too. I really hope people don't get the wrong idea about Hassidei Gur, though.<BR/><BR/>Also, regarding tzni'uth in general, I don't think that the "American Haredi" {certainly not all Americans who ID as Haredi fit into this category}, of long sheitelach, skirts barely to the knees, and tight blouses, and the encouraging of so much fraternization between men and women is the answer either.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-16225688290950447392009-02-09T15:40:00.001+02:002009-02-09T15:40:00.001+02:00with superbus in Bet Shemesh, they are using a new...with superbus in Bet Shemesh, they are using a new system of a smart card. It gets swiped, and there are no hole punchers.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-82923558289231671722009-02-09T15:40:00.000+02:002009-02-09T15:40:00.000+02:00ben-yehuda - the truth is that this comes out of t...ben-yehuda - the truth is that this comes out of the Kirya haredi and not Bet(h). The Kirya Haredi is the source and the father of these thigns, the Bet(h) is taking over as being more radical.<BR/><BR/>Most haredi communities dont do this kind of stuff, because it is not mandated anywhere. The only places this exists are in places, communities, with groups of kannoim, and with groups of gerrer hassidim (though mostly kannoim - the gerrer groups mostly do it but for themselves and not imposing it on others).<BR/><BR/>That is why in Kiryat Sefer that is overall more haredi than Bet Shemesh it does not exist. because they do not have communities of gerrer hassidim and of kannoim. <BR/>In Bet Shemesh there are strong communities of these groups, so we suffer from it.<BR/><BR/>That is my theory.<BR/><BR/>Then you add on anglo haredim who dont want to look less frum by rejecting somethign that has a frum appearance, and you get acceptance of it, something you dont have in any normal haredi community.<BR/><BR/>you can see the comments on the other superbus post at http://lifeinisrael.blogspot.com/2009/02/supermehadrin-superbus.html - if you look near the end, you will see the comment by someone from Kiryat Sefer.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-76965336638394377312009-02-09T15:35:00.000+02:002009-02-09T15:35:00.000+02:00...and the mehadrin buses I've seen in Jerusalem h......and the mehadrin buses I've seen in Jerusalem have a hole puncher chained near the back exit for kartisiyot, and women often hold up their passes to the driver's mirror. I don't recall any change boxes, though.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-66705987510699015732009-02-09T15:33:00.000+02:002009-02-09T15:33:00.000+02:00B"HI still think that the level of isolation a com...B"H<BR/><BR/>I still think that the level of isolation a community expects plays a part. Now after a generation, this 11 yo thinks that what he's doing is OK outside of his isolated area {and inside}. He didn't just wake up and decide to do this. He got it from somewhere.<BR/><BR/>I have yet to see something even remotely like this in Jerusalem, even on buses from Ramat Shlomo, a relatively isolated area.<BR/><BR/>Often on the 56 and 40 there would be women or girls stuck in the front of the bus for whatever, and no one had a cow about it.<BR/><BR/>Whether they like it or not, Yerushalmim have been dealing with diverse groups of people, and are more chilled out.<BR/><BR/>The 16 bus {All frum, or mostly frum neighborhoods, Ramot, Sanhedria, Qiriyath Tzanz, G. Shaul, Bayit veGan} is not "mehadrin." It doesn't have to be. People sit separately because they want to. No front and back separation. Like I said, chilled out, or some mishmerah hasn't caught up with this line yet.<BR/><BR/>Even Bnei Braq is right next to Ramat Gan, and has the "diverse" Pardes Ka"tz neighborhood. At least some in Immanuel are "exposed" to the outside world when traveling to Jerusalem or Bnei Braq for school.<BR/><BR/>The 11 yo boy is the son of parents who [probably] specifically moved to a community more insulated than Jerusalem.<BR/><BR/>My question is this, does Qiriyath Sefer have the same issues? It's a different kind of community. I think we already know a bit about Beitar. <BR/><BR/>Is RSB Beth really the worst?Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-9944685573206409492009-02-09T15:06:00.000+02:002009-02-09T15:06:00.000+02:00probablyprobablyRafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-90791530028219934622009-02-09T15:05:00.000+02:002009-02-09T15:05:00.000+02:00It is appalling that women can be treated so disre...It is appalling that women can be treated so disrespectfully. That boy will probably grow up to treat his own wife and daughters dreadfully.SuperRaizyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742653185025562286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-8107886313157844542009-02-09T14:40:00.000+02:002009-02-09T14:40:00.000+02:00the revenge is really unintentional. Not a planned...the revenge is really unintentional. Not a planned revenge. In a conceptual sense it is revenge...<BR/><BR/>I am sure there is chofshi chodshis, but people only buy them if they take the bus enough to make it worthwhile. If you take the bus less, you buy kartisiyas. if you dont go to the front to get your kartisiya punched (or in this case swiped), you are riding "gratis".<BR/><BR/>The women I am talking about, in the case I know about, are women who dont care about it being mehadrin or not. They just want to ride the bus (and yes, they are haredi). The 11 bus line, goes through a lot of areas, most of which care nothing about mehadrin. It goes through the kirya, where they want it mehadrin. So it is unoffically (as far as I know).<BR/><BR/>I did not hear back from Balilius. I was thinking about writing/calling him to find out if they made a decision. Maybe I will later...Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-42208059057072568752009-02-09T14:35:00.000+02:002009-02-09T14:35:00.000+02:00Is there no chofshi chodshi on superbus?If I remem...Is there no chofshi chodshi on superbus?<BR/><BR/>If I remember correctly :) not paying for the bus, is a Torah prohibition.<BR/><BR/>Have you heard anything new from Eli Balilius about the office hours?<BR/><BR/>"However, there is a revenge from the women against Superbus."<BR/>If these are women from the community that wants mehadrin, how can you call it revenge? It is more like paying back good with bad.<BR/>If it is women who object to mehadrin, then you could call it revenge.<BR/><BR/>In Egged we had the issue of people who weren't eligible using cartis zakai.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com