tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post650382691972055500..comments2024-03-29T11:40:46.477+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: fringe benefits of working in kashrutRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-25686883906883525592009-05-14T10:22:00.000+03:002009-05-14T10:22:00.000+03:00shaya g, that pasuk is about dayanim not mashgichi...shaya g, that pasuk is about dayanim not mashgichim. The ba'alei musar apply it (in a musar not-halachic sense) to others, and even then the Chazon Ish argues in sefer emuna ubitachon.<br />However, as a policy it does seem wise for the mashgiach not to be an employee of the establishment.anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-90005529515849643622009-05-13T20:39:00.000+03:002009-05-13T20:39:00.000+03:00Why do you say this is an Eretz Yisroel problem. A...Why do you say this is an Eretz Yisroel problem. Any kashrus, or any oversite organization has these issues. Perhaps you mean this is a Rabanut problem. Too true.Hamasighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13878878989698459250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-87117318455587720122009-05-13T20:23:00.000+03:002009-05-13T20:23:00.000+03:00One of the best things about the KAJ (K'hal Adat Y...One of the best things about the KAJ (K'hal Adat Yeshurun, or the Yekkeshe community in NY) system of kashrut was that the mashgichim were employees of the shul (the kashrut organization), and <B>only</B> employees of the shul. They were never, ever, put into the position in which their objectivity even had a chance to be influenced. The other good thing about that hashgacha was that they were extremely strict as a general rule.<br /><br />MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-70746377537260569802009-05-13T20:20:00.000+03:002009-05-13T20:20:00.000+03:00See this article http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.co...See this article http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/2009/05/state-comptroller-documents-kashrut-deficiencies-in-major-cities/ which mentions this issue.djnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-5621269717436411602009-05-13T16:49:00.000+03:002009-05-13T16:49:00.000+03:0020 yr old? shaya, you give them way to much credit...20 yr old? shaya, you give them way to much credit, usually they are 16.<br /><br />maybe if farms hired mashgichim broccli and strawberries would still be kosher.<br /><br /><br />ps, rafi, new blog but your roll doesn't update.The Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02450690035446068510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-20039155977972852862009-05-13T16:11:00.000+03:002009-05-13T16:11:00.000+03:00this goes on here in Chicago all the time. It's e...this goes on here in Chicago all the time. It's even worse when the business owner is a dominant aggressive personality and the "mashgiach" is a twenty year old. The "mashgiach" is a direct employee of the restaraunt and who here doesn't think that shenanigans are easy to occur? who wonders why so many frum jews see the hashgacha world as a business and sham, rather than a service provided?shaya gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-21254668610890423772009-05-13T16:09:00.000+03:002009-05-13T16:09:00.000+03:00"ki hashochad ye'aver ainei chachamim, vee'salaif ..."ki hashochad ye'aver ainei chachamim, vee'salaif divrei tzadikim".shaya gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-84527300405510153452009-05-13T14:50:00.000+03:002009-05-13T14:50:00.000+03:00Rafi,
You should distinguish between Rabanut and B...Rafi,<br />You should distinguish between Rabanut and Badatz hechsherim. Most Badatz hechsherim pay the mashgiach themselves <br />But, 2 things<br />1) Not sure how much this solves the conflict of interest. The Badatz is also interested in keeping the guy as one of their clients, and the mashgiach wants his job <br />2) I know personally of one case where a mashgiach of rav rubin was being paid extra money on the side by the head of the food plant, for "overtime" and the like. Leave it to businessmen to find a way to buck the systemAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-79759244607223026522009-05-13T13:24:00.000+03:002009-05-13T13:24:00.000+03:00This is a known issue with Rabbanut hechsherim.
...This is a known issue with Rabbanut hechsherim. <br /><br />The fact is that in any case the restaurant/hotel pays the mashgiach's salary. In other words, if he pulls the hashgacha he loses his salary.blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-91938296866487626262009-05-13T11:35:00.000+03:002009-05-13T11:35:00.000+03:00It would seem to take away from his objectivity. H...It would seem to take away from his objectivity. However, in a technical halachic state I don't think that it takes away from his "neemanus". Mesiach lefi tumo is only required for a goy or someone who would otherwise not be trusted. Eid Echad neeman b'issurim is trusted even if he has an interest (it is different for testimony which requires 2 eidim). Therefore, even the owner of the store (if he has neemanus) can be relied upon. However, perhaps it isn't so clear. I don't remember exactly, but I believe that eid echad is not believed against a chazaka. So, we are testifying against chazaka like meat which is not kashered and he has to say it is kashered. The owner or worker is believed because it is "biyado", it is in his hands to kasher it, however a third party might not be. I don't remember. Anyway, it is an interesting topic.<br />Also, it is interesting that it isn't the rabbonim who are bringing up these issues.anonnoreply@blogger.com