tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post7093441956398107439..comments2024-03-28T21:53:53.990+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: Clueless LeadersRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-60681285813634203472008-04-29T23:26:00.000+03:002008-04-29T23:26:00.000+03:00B"HI stand by my statement.Contact him.B"H<BR/><BR/>I stand by my statement.<BR/><BR/>Contact him.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-79305902453358095752008-04-29T16:34:00.000+03:002008-04-29T16:34:00.000+03:00Ben YehudaWhy do you disagree?1)Isn't it clear tha...Ben Yehuda<BR/>Why do you disagree?<BR/>1)Isn't it clear that the article called the Chazon Ish, the Brisker Rav, Rav Kook, Rav Shlomo Zalman among many others clueless and preferring the Galuth mentality ? <BR/>2) Isn't that mevazeh talmidei chachamim?<BR/>3) Are you able to personally explain the article? If not, perhaps the author should post here so that he can publicly explain his view and why he has more of a clue than all of those clueless authorities past and present.<BR/><BR/>I would like to reiterate that I have not problem with people questioning kitniyos in this day and age, or with criticising chumras. I just feel that the tone of the article was appaling, and if the author is a talmid chacham he would not have intended it that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-62112431166642180812008-04-28T21:50:00.000+03:002008-04-28T21:50:00.000+03:00Moshe G., I most certainly disagree. I also belie...Moshe G., I most certainly disagree. I also believe that it would have been more appropriate to contact Rav Bar-Hayim for clarification first before making such a comment. If it really a matter of how individuals "read" it, then why not go to the source?<BR/><BR/>His email address is listed above.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-54567261212574683252008-04-28T17:37:00.000+03:002008-04-28T17:37:00.000+03:00Dear Ben YehudaI am not making assumptions or I am...Dear Ben Yehuda<BR/>I am not making assumptions or <BR/>I am simply responding to what is pretty clear as the tone of the article.<BR/>Do you read the article differently. If, so please let me know you see it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-51401270152457846352008-04-27T08:15:00.000+03:002008-04-27T08:15:00.000+03:00Rafi's summary of Rav Bar-Hayim's outlook in right...Rafi's summary of Rav Bar-Hayim's outlook in right on the mark. Check out www.machonshilo.org to understand more or contact him by email.<BR/>Shavua tov! Hope everyone had a great chag, with or without kitniyot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-76313926631257594712008-04-27T01:11:00.000+03:002008-04-27T01:11:00.000+03:00B"HMoshe, Instead of making assumptions or specula...B"H<BR/><BR/>Moshe, Instead of making assumptions or speculating, why don't you ask him? <BR/><BR/>He may be contacted at <A HREF="harav@machonshilo.org" REL="nofollow">harav@machonshilo.org</A>.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-45406121588277566932008-04-25T13:51:00.000+03:002008-04-25T13:51:00.000+03:00I was disturbed by this essay, not because it call...I was disturbed by this essay, not because it calls into question the custom of kitniyos or why people are so obsessed by chumras, I think these are valid and interesting topics.<BR/><BR/>I was appalled at the arrogant tone. To whom was he referring when he said "Judaism’s rabbinical leaders are just like that reserve duty driver: they truly do not know who and where we are or where we are supposed to be headed. They have no clue how to move on to the next stage. They are unsure of themselves, vague and uncertain about everything, preferring the familiar, downtrodden Galuth version of the Torah for the majestic, vibrant and uplifting Torah of the Land of Israel, the Judaism of Abraham, Moses, David and the Maccabees."<BR/><BR/>Was he referring to the Chazon Ish, the Brisker Rav, Rav Kook, Rav Shlomo Zalman? They all lived in the Holy Land in the modern eraand refrained from kitniyos. To question is good, to arrogantly deride them as clueless is just plan dumb- mevazeh talmidei chachomim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-40695705950596802092008-04-24T10:49:00.000+03:002008-04-24T10:49:00.000+03:00Rafi, Zevi R.: Your best bet is to ask him: harav@...Rafi, Zevi R.: Your best bet is to ask him: <A HREF="harav@machonshilo.org" REL="nofollow">harav@machonshilo.org</A>.<BR/><BR/>None of his students function as his spokespeople. The main point I wanted to make was that I thought Rafi's intro. was fine.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-7667258798156336422008-04-24T05:49:00.000+03:002008-04-24T05:49:00.000+03:00he is right on the mark. Zevy - Ben yehudas answer...he is right on the mark. <BR/>Zevy - Ben yehudas answer is not clear. Maybe he or some of his friends from Machin Shiloh can come in and give a clearer response to your question...<BR/><BR/>My thoughts on your question are - they hold there is importance to minhag and mesorah, but it depends. To bring a minhag from Poland, that was possibly appropriate in Poland (for example) and import it to Israel where there is already a prevailing minhag and mesorah, is wrong in Rav Bar Hayyims opinion. Eretz Yisrael has had its own special minhagim and they need to be kept, strengthened and rejuvenated. We left the exile, why bring our "galus customs" with us to Israel when Israel has its own customs...<BR/><BR/>That is how I understand their opinion on the matter.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-88591835573707683822008-04-23T15:01:00.000+03:002008-04-23T15:01:00.000+03:00This is an interesting article. It really brings t...This is an interesting article. It really brings to light areas in vision that are lacking, as well as giving something to consider. I think, for me, the issue boils down to what we are passing on to our children and what will be their mission to help move Israel and Yahaduth in the direction that Hashem desires. <BR/><BR/>On some level, I only see the situations changing we begin to raise children that are even more dedicated to living Torah and Halakhah in an honest way. We can do what we can to give them the tools to progress further, by informing the and teaching them what is good and what has failed in the past and the present. We can also given them the tools to make their situation better.<BR/><BR/>That is the only way I see anything improving.Ehav Everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201312079270363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-33835866777845553412008-04-23T00:41:00.000+03:002008-04-23T00:41:00.000+03:00Zevy R, Minhagei HaMaqom - keep. Minhagei Aovoth ...Zevy R, Minhagei HaMaqom - keep. Minhagei Aovoth - not a lot of HALACHIC support for it....<BR/><BR/>I also believe, though, that if a family tradition adds to simhath yom tov, for example, why not keep it? Just keep it in perspective.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-86866980655843683942008-04-22T23:49:00.000+03:002008-04-22T23:49:00.000+03:00B"H As a student of Rav Bar-Hayim, I believe your ...B"H As a student of Rav Bar-Hayim, I believe your introduction is correct. You are, after all, providing an observation here, one which is probably accurate.<BR/><BR/>Regardless of how people hold on the issue of <I>qitniyoth</I>, I hope that people will open to the possibility that they could agree with him on other issues.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-13796466940274104772008-04-22T17:59:00.000+03:002008-04-22T17:59:00.000+03:00Amazing post- believe it or not, this is chizuk fo...Amazing post- believe it or not, this is chizuk for a lot of people, me included. People are wary of living Jewish lives that are validated only by a checklist of chumrot. Avodas Hashem should not work that way. Charedut developed in response to a hyper-galut pressure cooker including pogroms and worse. There is no kedusha in a black hat, there is no kedusha in a streimel- just like 'yidden' and 'numa numa'- it was taken from the goyim. Kol Hakavod to the rav.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-71538288034647548122008-04-22T10:24:00.000+03:002008-04-22T10:24:00.000+03:00What about Minhag and Mesorah? Are those to be di...What about Minhag and Mesorah? Are those to be disregarded completely in his vision?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-33248580351974872752008-04-22T06:11:00.000+03:002008-04-22T06:11:00.000+03:00whether his point on kitniyos is correct or not, t...whether his point on kitniyos is correct or not, this phrase is the most important: "It focuses the mind on a non-issue. And the more meaningless Pesah stringencies are promoted, the more meaningless Judaism becomes.".<BR/><BR/>this phrase is affecting us as ortho jews everyday. erase the word pesach and this is how we now live our lives. chumra = halacha and judaism is getting further away from it's source. <BR/><BR/>niskatnu hadoros doesn't mean, we are less in tune. It mewans our authentic judaism has become less.smallerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-43963636340039791852008-04-22T06:05:00.000+03:002008-04-22T06:05:00.000+03:00rafi,thanks for posting this. it is a great essay,...rafi,<BR/><BR/>thanks for posting this. it is a great essay, although it saddens me greatly.<BR/><BR/>maybe i'll post about it, although i am backlogged in my posts.<BR/><BR/>moadim le-simhahLion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.com