tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post745791586233741909..comments2024-03-28T21:53:53.990+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: the holy uniformRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-32942659674902072842009-09-15T21:54:32.718+03:002009-09-15T21:54:32.718+03:00AFAIK, Egged drivers either wear the uniform royal...AFAIK, Egged drivers either wear the uniform royal blue shirt... or there is also a cream colored alternative.<br /><br />IMO, if a job goes against one's beliefs, practices or dogma, then <b>don't work in that field</b>.<br /><br />If you feel that abortion is against your principles, don't be a pharmacist. If you feel that birth control is blasphemy, don't be an OB/GYN.<br /><br />If you feel that the prescribed uniform isn't Tznius enough for you, don't work there.Pesky Settlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03077745747562609723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-61167231841739582412009-09-15T01:04:02.085+03:002009-09-15T01:04:02.085+03:00Halacha requires a Jew to dress modestly. If he ne...Halacha requires a Jew to dress modestly. If he needed a waiver, I'm sure his rabbi would have granted one for work related clothing.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365459073293643108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-69992625759156715022009-09-14T16:12:52.037+03:002009-09-14T16:12:52.037+03:00YONI:
"Let me get this straight. I offer a j...YONI:<br /><br />"Let me get this straight. I offer a justification for a uniform (maybe not the one Egged had in mind, maybe not compelling), and you come back with nostalgia?"<br /><br />i'm not nostalgic. (to the contrary, i'd rather not see the egged driver's hairy chest.) my point was to question whether the advent of the egged uniform has had any positive impact that makes it worthwhile.<br /><br />then you bring a comparison to doctors? what's the connection?Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-63520565805803674352009-09-14T15:19:42.151+03:002009-09-14T15:19:42.151+03:00Considering my own previous work experiences and d...Considering my own previous work experiences and dealing with "uniforms", I think he should be lucky.<br />At one job, there was a policy on facial hair that required me to come to a compromise with a manager about my beard. I was allowed to keep it, as long as it was trimmed. And, of course, when that manager moved on, I had to have to same fight with the new one, but was able to work it out again.<br />Sometimes it's <i>how</i> you work things out, more than <i>what</i> needs to be worked out.Ely S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-31207602128805860212009-09-14T11:20:27.474+03:002009-09-14T11:20:27.474+03:00egged bus drivers may need time off for shacharit,...egged bus drivers may need time off for shacharit, because (at least during the winter) they start when it's still dark.anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-25399376207477781442009-09-14T10:54:20.614+03:002009-09-14T10:54:20.614+03:00And what's with demanding time off 3 times a d...And what's with demanding time off 3 times a day to daven with a minyan? This guy was 'pushing it' from the start.<br />Every working male that i know davens shachrit before (or on the way to) work. They do not expect time off to daven. Maariv too can usually be davened after work hours, except possibly mid-winter or if he works extremely long shifts. He only needed to ask for time for mincha. This shows that the guy was a trouble-maker from the start.rwnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-82870770227026736182009-09-14T10:00:30.270+03:002009-09-14T10:00:30.270+03:00of course he can quit. for any reason he wants. bu...of course he can quit. for any reason he wants. but he (or someone) is making a big deal out of it, as if egged is anti-haredi because he they insist he wears the corporate uniform...Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-26860604615098054252009-09-14T09:48:31.032+03:002009-09-14T09:48:31.032+03:00We have no idea what this guys thoughts were - no ...We have no idea what this guys thoughts were - no one asked him - but I can imagine a scenario where he asks his rav what to do - he has kids to support - and he says leave kollel - get a job - make sure that you can daven 3 times a day with a minyan and never change your dress (or your name or your language :) ) remember who you are - and thi si your "gader" So he interviews with egged and gets the job with the conditions he asks for. Now they dont let him - he moves onward to the next job....it is his right - and maybe he is also right....SBWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-67331042611719775402009-09-14T08:14:14.908+03:002009-09-14T08:14:14.908+03:00His kids are probably embarrassed for him to be se...His kids are probably embarrassed for him to be seen wearing an Egged shirt by their friends. It's a sad state of things in Israel. My kids were devestated when I decided to wear sandals.Shalomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-66230423169277412772009-09-14T00:51:16.606+03:002009-09-14T00:51:16.606+03:00whether it is important or not, a company has a ri...whether it is important or not, a company has a right to impose a uniform. It is common and it is an accepted business practice. It helps instill pride in the workplace, it helps with company discipline and with other factors.<br />Whether a driver "needs" a uniform or not, like a policeman does, is irrelevant.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-60151338257058593982009-09-13T20:15:06.750+03:002009-09-13T20:15:06.750+03:00LoZ
a uniform is important for a bus driver?
i r...LoZ<br /><br /><i>a uniform is important for a bus driver?<br /><br />i remember back in the day when the egged "uniform" was sandals, shorts, and a shirt with enough buttons open to reveal a jungle of chest hair.<br />when did egged get so haughty?</i><br /><br />Let me get this straight. I offer a justification for a uniform (maybe not the one Egged had in mind, maybe not compelling), and you come back with nostalgia? Let me transplant your "logic" to a different situation:<br /><br /><i>washing hands is important for a surgeon?<br /><br />i remember back in the day when the doctor's "uniform" was a bloody smock with enough germs from the previous surgery to fell a horse.<br />when did doctors get so haughty?</i><br /><br />Sometimes change is a good thing. If they would change more things in this country, maybe there'd be fewer armchair zionists.yoni r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-18404983327624520862009-09-13T19:16:47.717+03:002009-09-13T19:16:47.717+03:00stop treating them like little kids. society is so...stop treating them like little kids. society is so used to bending over backwards for these Chareidim who act like spoiled brat kids...(me me me, boohoo you were mean to me)<br /><br />here's a thought for them - grow up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-45785848779656326232009-09-13T18:28:04.711+03:002009-09-13T18:28:04.711+03:00in a way i feel bad for the guy. here is willing t...in a way i feel bad for the guy. here is willing to buck the trend (i assume not to many haredim work as egged drivers) but he can't because of a uniform disagreement.<br /><br />YONI:<br /><br />a uniform is important for a bus driver?<br /><br />i remember back in the day when the egged "uniform" was sandals, shorts, and a shirt with enough buttons open to reveal a jungle of chest hair.<br />when did egged get so haughty?Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-38099774743283643122009-09-13T18:00:03.939+03:002009-09-13T18:00:03.939+03:00Rafi wrote: "Schools also have uniforms and d...Rafi wrote: "Schools also have uniforms and dress codes."<br /><br />You are right, but the BLUE SHIRTS ARE FOR GIRLS!!!!!oh-oh-magen-avot!!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-87961222403501777622009-09-13T17:54:18.008+03:002009-09-13T17:54:18.008+03:00Yoni,
when was the last time you were on a bus an...Yoni,<br /><br />when was the last time you were on a bus and had to identify the driver but couldn't?<br /><br />I couldn't resist.<br /><br />--Stupid<br />:)Stupidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-14864367756071642602009-09-13T17:22:23.495+03:002009-09-13T17:22:23.495+03:00While I sypathize with those who say that clothes ...While I sypathize with those who say that clothes aren't important in terms of doing a good job, in some cases they are critical. Imagine if a (non-undercover) police officer could wear whatever he wanted to work. People who needed help would have no quick way of identifying him.<br /><br />The same is the case with a bus driver. While not as critical as with a cop, riders on the bus need to be able to quickly identify who is in charge when he is not driving. Granted, those cases are few and far between, but in the event that the driver is not at the wheel, it is more likey than usual to be imporant to be able to find and identify him quickly.<br /><br />Also, unfair as it may be, people do judge others based on their appearances. If a company wants a certain look among those who are daily contact with their customers, it's not unreasonable that they require their employees to comply.<br /><br />Disclaimer: Any responses along the lines of "what was the last time you were on a bus and had to identify the driver but couldn't", will instantly lead to me considering the poster in question stupid, so don't even bother.<br />:)yoni r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-89804586348896905132009-09-13T16:55:17.271+03:002009-09-13T16:55:17.271+03:00I agree with you, Rafi. it's unfortunate that ...I agree with you, Rafi. it's unfortunate that the waiver was taken away from him, but the bottom line is that he has a large family to support, and wearing the uniform does not violate halacha in any way.SuperRaizyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742653185025562286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-10110244726454246982009-09-13T16:44:01.365+03:002009-09-13T16:44:01.365+03:00בכל עת יהיו בגדיך לבנים ושמן על ראשך לא יחסר
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...בכל עת יהיו בגדיך לבנים ושמן על ראשך לא יחסר<br /><br />:)<br /><br />טלית שכולה תכלת חייבת בציציתanonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-60379276149627406572009-09-13T16:14:21.775+03:002009-09-13T16:14:21.775+03:00The guy didn't think that there was a problem ...The guy didn't think that there was a problem in being a driver, having to look at women,some of them not dressed with tsnius, but only in wearing a blue shirt.<br />As for letting him wear a white shirt, I don't know. If one wants to make it possible for charedim to join the work force,one needs to accomodate them.bohr salinonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-65865781695329483862009-09-13T14:15:10.709+03:002009-09-13T14:15:10.709+03:00I think it is a shame that some much em[phasis is ...I think it is a shame that some much em[phasis is put on clothing and chavel he gave up his job for a stupidity like this. I hoep others learn from this. maybe they should allow the arab to wear his kafiah as well. Someone should have spoken to this driver and set him straight.<br /><br />kol tuv,<br /><br />BaruchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-34143919473365958272009-09-13T14:11:24.886+03:002009-09-13T14:11:24.886+03:00snoopy - you might hate them personally, but a com...snoopy - you might hate them personally, but a company that uses them and wants its uniform to be enforced has that right. regardless of an individual employees personal fashion tastes.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-32863170282944499662009-09-13T14:09:27.813+03:002009-09-13T14:09:27.813+03:00Strange as it may seem to you, in this case I am w...Strange as it may seem to you, in this case I am with Reuven. Hate uniforms when there is no special need and/or justification for them.<br /><br />But it's a personal outlook, otherwise there is a grain of truth in what you are saying.SnoopyTheGoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00920565522498918323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-85996251885704830442009-09-13T14:07:27.187+03:002009-09-13T14:07:27.187+03:00That is patently ridiculous. The egged uniform isn...That is patently ridiculous. The egged uniform isn't something that any of the demographics that drivers come from feel comforatable with pe se (the Chareidi driver is probably the only one who owned a tie prior to it) <br />Should Chareidi surgeons not wear greens? Should Charedi litigators not wear robes. etc...?Eli Dukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733438132131254422noreply@blogger.com