tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post7508143208607833355..comments2024-03-28T21:53:53.990+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: A Plea To Moshe FeiglinRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-63845819450325112202014-10-27T14:00:31.539+02:002014-10-27T14:00:31.539+02:00y - That's a straw man that they throw around ...y - That's a straw man that they throw around from the top of the Likud to try and keep Moshe out. Only the Anglos buy it, and it's a shame.<br /><br />The Likud has established itself as THE arena for politics in this country - every other party has traditionally built narrow agenda of one sort or another and cannot hold the bigger picture of Israel in its hands. Feiglin isn't the only religious person who has entered the LIkud - in fact there are many and they are currently welcomed.<br /><br />Regarding whether Feiglin's supporters vote Likud or not, or whether it is "moral" to sign up for Likud if they only plan to vote for him when he finally makes it to the top - is putting the entire picture in a vacuum. First of all this is why the law in Israel and many places restricts membership to one party, and also why those parties often collect an annual fee from those "supporters." In reality, there is a very active membership of several interest groups within the Likud party - for example gays, single parents, Charedim (odd list I know) - and all are involved in order to influence the Likud to make good on their charter as a party for the people.<br /><br />Don't throw away your chance to influence the most influential party in the country (or whatever party you prefer to influence) just because someone who wants to keep your influence out, or to direct your dues elsewhere, starts talking morality.MiriamSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-22198318494407559232012-01-24T23:20:50.985+02:002012-01-24T23:20:50.985+02:00I don't see where this obligation to vote for ...I don't see where this obligation to vote for the party you join comes from. Firstly, there is a chance, albeit small, that if the Likud leadership pulls itself together, I would vote for the party.<br />But more significantly, I can't understand this concept of acting "lifnei meshurit hadin" in Israeli politics of all places. The individual voter gets a raw deal by any measure. You can't vote for a politician as in most other democratic countries, only for a party. And that party can switch representatives, its leadership can run off with your mandate to form another party without your mandate (Kadima) etc.<br />So if you are offered the chance to pay membership for a party to get the right to vote directly for its leader, I don't see the problem.Yosef Symondsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-8808064713747469932012-01-23T11:08:11.784+02:002012-01-23T11:08:11.784+02:00Why can't he latch onto a Likud MK, then? Step...Why can't he latch onto a Likud MK, then? Step aside for the good of his movement and inside endorse those with a chance of getting in.<br /><br />Anonymous, I don't see why you're so opposed to privatization. It usually works. Health care in the US isn't private.Nachumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11292162031685942549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-39295618970135414332012-01-23T09:51:20.763+02:002012-01-23T09:51:20.763+02:00y - I too disagee with that policy. While Likud me...y - I too disagee with that policy. While Likud members are nto obligated to vote for Likud, it is conceivably possible that a Likud member might not like a specific candidate in any given year and therefore would vote for a different party. Becoming a member with the intent of not voting Likud is wrong. Personally, I think anyone becoming a member of Likud in order to support Feiglin should be voting Likud in the elections.<br /><br />I also am in favor of the large party system, whether it is a two or three party system. I think the small, sectoral, parties do more harm than good.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-26721221810242164652012-01-23T09:47:10.223+02:002012-01-23T09:47:10.223+02:00don't you think it a bit not "honest"...don't you think it a bit not "honest" to become a member of the Likud just to push feiglin, while in the elections to vote for another party?ynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-70870862146179127152012-01-22T22:08:37.043+02:002012-01-22T22:08:37.043+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Yosef Symondsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-44548245884283155022012-01-22T22:06:56.376+02:002012-01-22T22:06:56.376+02:00Yes, the whole point of Feiglin's movement is ...Yes, the whole point of Feiglin's movement is to influence a major party (Likud) from the inside. And after a decade (at least 2.5 elections) there has been not a single Feiglin person amongst the Likud MKs, the Likud is ramping up the demolition of outposts/settlements, and is even weighing an invitation to Barak to join. No Likud MK can afford to support Feiglin publically. And at the rally for Feiglin's campaign, there was a noticeable absence of rank-and-file Likud supporters who are the declared target of his efforts. Israel does not have the luxury of foregoing hard political results for decades.<br />Yosef SymondsYosef Symondsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-84983758025695596272012-01-22T18:00:14.882+02:002012-01-22T18:00:14.882+02:00I thought the whole point of Feiglin's movemen...I thought the whole point of Feiglin's movement was to influence a major party (Likud) from the inside instead of being just another right-wing faction. Whether one agrees with Feiglin or his movement, I think it would defeat the whole purpose of what he is trying to do for him to join the National Union.Baruch Gitlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-88061569263365359582012-01-22T16:33:00.551+02:002012-01-22T16:33:00.551+02:00why national union? What a bizzare letter/ compla...why national union? What a bizzare letter/ complaint.<br /><br />How can people support Feiglin when he talks about privatized healthcare after seeing the results in America!??!?<br /><br />Some things in this world should not be privatized, or done to make a profit.<br /><br />Wars, Health care, Roads, and Charity are just a few of them. You'll read the Torah for land arguments, but not on how to run society!?!? <br /><br />Crazy loons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com