tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post7520967747957281691..comments2024-03-18T19:59:12.814+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: Haredi defense of Israel's national anthem HatikvahRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-49403241714451496272013-02-25T22:26:57.556+02:002013-02-25T22:26:57.556+02:00Ok. How about non-muslims in arabic-speaking count...Ok. How about non-muslims in arabic-speaking countries?<br />Maybe those hypocrite arabic-speaking MKs should talk totheir friends in other muslim countries asking them to remove the word allah from their national anthem and set a good example for israel.Adamhttp://www.israelhebrew.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-26935231677588750112013-02-12T09:08:02.237+02:002013-02-12T09:08:02.237+02:00Yup. Well put.Yup. Well put.Baruch Gitlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-28799440152792069062013-02-12T08:38:45.577+02:002013-02-12T08:38:45.577+02:00And I totally agree with you Baruch. :) I commente...And I totally agree with you Baruch. :) I commented something similar on FB to someone who criticized her for even mentioning it. Even if we wouldn't think of changing it, it's important to understand and be able to verbalize such sensitivity. And I appreciate having politicians who understand that.Michael Lipkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11501487897038161582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-49317556688375118392013-02-12T08:12:39.648+02:002013-02-12T08:12:39.648+02:00Totally agree with you, Menachem. And personally, ...Totally agree with you, Menachem. And personally, I don't think Calderon was out of line to raise the issue. I don't think the song should be changed, but I can see the issue, and it shouldn't be forbidden to at least raise it. Why should we expect Israeli Arabs to sing an anthem about the Jews yearning to return to their homeland? A lot of haredim love to respond "draft the Arabs too" in reponse to the demand that the haredim give up their totally unfair and unethical exemption from the draft. This argument over "HaTikva" provides a good illustration of what the difference is. For the haredim, there's a nuance at stake - a word - an important nuance, yes, but they are still part of the Jewish people who have davened three times a day for all these years to return to the Jewish homeland. For the Arabs, on the other hand, there is no positive meaning whatsoever to the expression of hope in Hatikva. That's why it's reasonable to expect the haredim to take a share of the responsibility in defending this country, whereas with the Arabs, it's a much more complex issue.Baruch Gitlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-34333648127920874122013-02-11T23:25:48.089+02:002013-02-11T23:25:48.089+02:00Classic Shas prostitution. They'll say anythin...Classic Shas prostitution. They'll say anything to anyone that benefits them. No scruples there. And I wouldn't be too heartened by Yishai saying it. Further, what he said is pretty much a lie as this was not a policy statement by Yesh Atid but a post by Calderon on her own FB wall. Michael Lipkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11501487897038161582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-69594620595259349412013-02-11T22:16:11.128+02:002013-02-11T22:16:11.128+02:00I have. I signed up to follow the social media upd...I have. I signed up to follow the social media updates of every party of which I was able to locate an account. Shas was very active on both Facebook and, though to a lesser extent, twitter.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-42686012624275141712013-02-11T21:31:06.606+02:002013-02-11T21:31:06.606+02:00I should add that I left. Nice place, but why both...I should add that I left. Nice place, but why bother wasting energy trying to improve it (someone else's country) when I can fight to improve ours.<br />JoshAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-74024508927019342862013-02-11T21:20:00.161+02:002013-02-11T21:20:00.161+02:00Frankly, I have not noticed Shas using social medi...Frankly, I have not noticed Shas using social media and due to most of my friends being Mafdal, Likud and Otzma fans, that is mostly what I saw, with a sprinkling of Labour and Tzipi from the rare lefty.<br /><br />In Canada, there are a few versions of the national anthem in English, as well as one in French. Occasionally, there is talk about removing god from the song and there are The English version mentions "God keep our land, glorious and free!" I think it used to mention the queen.<br /><br />The French version though, is never altered from what I remember, and has different more explicit wording:<br />Car ton bras sait porter l'épée, Because your arm knows how to wield the sword,<br />Il sait porter la croix! It knows how to bear the cross.<br /><br /><br />So the Jew like myself will just shut up and accept the Roman Catholic Quebec. A waste of time to fight it, the Jews are a diminishing minority there anyway.<br />JoshAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-35780306069447618352013-02-11T17:35:18.376+02:002013-02-11T17:35:18.376+02:00I'm surprised you never heard the "frum&q...I'm surprised you never heard the "frum" versions of Hatikvah. The 2 I've heard are removing the word חפשי and using either תורה or קדוש instead. In fact, Rav Ahron Soloveichik in Chicago used one of those (I think קודוש) when Hatikvah was sung at the Yeshivas Brisk banquets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-76727150562012804092013-02-11T15:12:45.998+02:002013-02-11T15:12:45.998+02:00yes, though I have no idea if he does it himself o...yes, though I have no idea if he does it himself or if he has a paid social media guy who doe sit for him. Shas did a very good job (not as good as Lapid or Bennet though) using social media as part of their campaign. Yishai has been using it for a while - well before the campaign beganRafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-75292016336840835772013-02-11T15:05:22.895+02:002013-02-11T15:05:22.895+02:00Eli Yishai uses Facebook?Eli Yishai uses Facebook?HolyRollernoreply@blogger.com