tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post7622508135592156641..comments2024-03-28T18:05:05.267+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: non-religious minister proposes law regarding Hebrew date changeRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-20701056327680643302008-02-08T07:40:00.000+02:002008-02-08T07:40:00.000+02:00I should clarify I am a programmer, the hard part ...I should clarify I am a programmer, the hard part is not figuring out when sunset happens, that is easy given log/lat which can be looked up easily enough. Its figuring out what definition of sunset we want to use. Civil, Nautical, astronomical or something else. It is a solvable problem as long as someone can define what the requirement is.<BR/><BR/>For refrence PHP at least has a sunrise/sunset function in its library and other languages probably do as well. I only know for PHP because I found it once while looking for something else.Zach Kessinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04276155117746098546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-19388662071849267132008-02-07T18:11:00.000+02:002008-02-07T18:11:00.000+02:00Yoni,Me too! except i'm a day earlier! I was born ...Yoni,<BR/>Me too! except i'm a day earlier! I was born yud ches sivan which was june 6th 1985 after shkia!<BR/><BR/>Misrad hapnimhas given me yud zayin sivan as my birthday! <BR/><BR/>What goyim!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-18945085726829768722008-02-07T15:39:00.000+02:002008-02-07T15:39:00.000+02:00My son was born between sunset and midnight. I jus...My son was born between sunset and midnight. I just checked the "nisfach" on my Teudat Zehut, and the Hebrew date listed is for the next day!<BR/><BR/>Zach:<BR/>You may be a computer nerd, but a computer <I>programmer</I> wouldn't have much of a problem with this. The time of sunset can be calculated for any date and location pretty easily (it's a long algorithm, but not too hard to program). The computer will have to take place of birth into account, but that's not so hard to do.<BR/><BR/>The big problem is what opinion of sunset to rely on (maybe that's the "problems of universal and actual proportions" that Mishpacha is talking about).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-67416953264879274372008-02-07T14:12:00.000+02:002008-02-07T14:12:00.000+02:00Rafi, That would've made way too much sense. Seri...Rafi, That would've made way too much sense. Seriously, though, the idea in the Interior Ministry of not knowing, nor needing to know, the goyshe date is completely beyond them.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-81027048981744523012008-02-07T13:58:00.000+02:002008-02-07T13:58:00.000+02:00benyehuda - that is funny. why couldn't the clerk ...benyehuda - that is funny. why couldn't the clerk just look it up? I have one of those 200 year calendars... they must have something in the computer system that correlates hebrew with english dates...!Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-75342114188924210832008-02-07T13:31:00.000+02:002008-02-07T13:31:00.000+02:00B"H A friend of mine claims that when he got his t...B"H A friend of mine claims that when he got his teudath zehuth, he provided only the Hebrew date for his birthday, claiming he didn't know the goyshe date. After going back and forth a little while, the clerk gave up, and put only the Hebrew date on his ID.<BR/><BR/>He claimed that the computer only converts dates in one direction.<BR/>Any similar stories about this?<BR/><BR/>All new immigrants could do the same!Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-48450639259860873272008-02-07T13:03:00.000+02:002008-02-07T13:03:00.000+02:00they must have sunset defined in some sort of cale...they must have sunset defined in some sort of calendar for some purpose. <BR/><BR/>The interior ministry would have to be keeping different records for each city/area due to different times of sunset, as you say...<BR/>so while somebody born 6:00 in eilat it would still be 1 adar, the baby born in Tel Aviv at 6:00 might already be 2 adar. That is how it works in real life, and the computers will have to figure out how to differentiate.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-4352650893141675392008-02-07T12:51:00.000+02:002008-02-07T12:51:00.000+02:00Speeking as a computer nerd this gives me headache...Speeking as a computer nerd this gives me headaches. Midnight is if nothing else easy to define. "Sundown" is somewhat harder in that it varies by location and time of year. It is possible that it is still light in Eilat while it is already dark in Metula (and I won't even get into the issues of places outside of Israel). <BR/><BR/>Mind you it can be done we would just need to figure out some details.Zach Kessinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04276155117746098546noreply@blogger.com