tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post8015106831031090693..comments2024-03-28T09:43:50.919+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: Which Is Worse - Secular Anti-Haredi Discrimination Or Haredi Anti-Haredi Discrimination?Rafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-42400339981342400322010-12-29T14:39:23.184+02:002010-12-29T14:39:23.184+02:00I dont remember the article talking about breslav ...I dont remember the article talking about breslav so it was just a guess. <br /><br />He has some sort of school for young women, and I think a small yeshiva of as well. Both are baalei tshuva under his and his wife's influence.<br />He sounded pretty normal in the article and not cult-like, but I guess it is possible.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-91650446725520027942010-12-29T14:31:12.276+02:002010-12-29T14:31:12.276+02:00As troubling as the subject can be, two points jum...As troubling as the subject can be, two points jump out at me:<br /><br />A) Becher refers to his "students", implying that he has started some form of group, cult, etc. This despite his being fairly newcome to Torah and mitzvos.<br /><br />B) You noted in your last reply, Rafi, that Becher looks Breslav. Ergo, he is not just haredi, or baal teshuva, but a born-again Breslav, which (yes, I'm generalizing) has some cult-like excesses in some of its adherents.<br /><br />There have recently been a number of strange cults popping up, usually surrounding some baal teshuva, some of them very, very warped, if not monstrous. For examples, the "Taliban" ladies in RBS, or that child abuse cult. I don't think it coincidence that these cults form around "ba'alei teshuva" who reach some strange interpretations of yiddishkeit and gather a following.<br /><br />Perhaps that is what stands behind the implied attitude of rank-and-file haredim against Becher. In general, the haredi leadership does everything it can to stamp out these cults, sometimes not so nicely. Even if this is only because they represent a split from the mainstream, one can clearly understand their suspicions, generalized though they may be.Shlomo Gorennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-31878784848433536872010-12-29T05:48:19.110+02:002010-12-29T05:48:19.110+02:00When you make big changes in your life, sometimes ...When you make big changes in your life, sometimes you don't "fit in" for a long time. Sometimes even for your entire life. And sometimes even for a generation or two, and your grandchildren may fit in.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-10887258704057679512010-12-28T13:09:30.368+02:002010-12-28T13:09:30.368+02:00FWIW, I think there are charedi neighborhoods that...FWIW, I think there are charedi neighborhoods that are more BT friendly than others. BB is extreme.Commenter Abbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753256568022159103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-62065514460135757782010-12-28T12:57:35.237+02:002010-12-28T12:57:35.237+02:00Sickening - I understand secular anti-charedi disc...Sickening - I understand secular anti-charedi discrimination, and I understand haredi anti-secular discrimination. I dont like either, but I understand where it comes from.<br /><br />As you say, the haredi anti-haredi is far worse.<br /><br />anonymous - from his picture, he looked to have become connected to some form of Breslav. Baalei Tshuva often become similar to the group they became frum with. He can choose how to live his life how he wants. he wants to be haredi, breslav, or whatever, that is fine with me.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-53370690463009276412010-12-28T12:56:53.694+02:002010-12-28T12:56:53.694+02:00Humans discriminate. That's just a fact. Yes,...Humans discriminate. That's just a fact. Yes, even in the US, neighborhoods are often fairly homogeneous. Even in large cities, where the city as a whole is very integrated, there are often sub-neighborhoods. And people can be pretty mean about keeping their neighborhoods "pure". <br /><br />However, Western man is also a bit hypocritical in their behavior. I think that people would have just as vociferously objected to a public/national edict against renting/selling to Chareidim as they did to the Rabbis' edict. <br /><br />I'm sure most of the people that objected to the Rabbis' edict don't want Arabs living next door to them. Likewise, the Chareidi community might go ballistic about the way this family is being treated, yet many, as individuals wouldn't want them living next door or have their kids in their schools.<br /><br />It's not a defense, more just a description of human nature well captured by the acronym, NIMBY. (Not In My Back Yard). Naively, I believe that being Torah Jews should teach us to be better than this, yet somehow it often makes us worse.Michael Lipkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11501487897038161582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-46295034643545422402010-12-28T12:53:02.211+02:002010-12-28T12:53:02.211+02:00Can someone please tell the Bechers that they can ...Can someone please tell the Bechers that they can be frum, ehrlich, G-d fearing Jews and not be charedi!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-45507552673451188292010-12-28T12:50:55.219+02:002010-12-28T12:50:55.219+02:00I'll take this a step further.
While unaccept...I'll take this a step further.<br /><br />While unacceptable the secular discrimination can be understood. Your becoming charedi means that our food, dress,transportation, sport, etc is no longer acceptable. You will stay in our neighborhood and strive to make changes that infringe on our lives.<br /><br />The charedi discrimination is unfathomable. It simply says that you're charedi..but not good enough for us.<br /><br />We FFB are better than you, have a more true mesorah, etc.<br /><br />Just think in our own wonderful city of RBS of how much Charedi anti-charedi bashing there is.<br /><br />Certain schools aren't "charedi" enough.<br />Certain tzedakos aren't "charedi" enough (unless it is to give money).<br />Certain mikvaos aren't "charedi" enough.<br /><br />And the nauseating list continues.<br /><br />One day these holier than thou will face the reality that HaShem doesn't consider them "Jewish or Torahdik" enough because of their silly outlooks to be part of His society!Sickeningnoreply@blogger.com