tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post9119903018534246520..comments2024-03-29T06:05:20.562+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: Shmitta: Otzar Beis Din: distributing EsrogimRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-86078191539812137302008-10-16T06:30:00.000+02:002008-10-16T06:30:00.000+02:00I know why Otzar BD is so expensive - the BD pays ...I know why Otzar BD is so expensive - the BD pays too much to the farmer!!! A friend of mine on a kibbutz told me the only year the kibbutz doesn't lose money on their [fruit] is Shmitta, because the BD pays them to be Otzar BD. Obviously the BD pays them more than what a regular distributor pays them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-45549201546172769062008-10-16T03:00:00.000+02:002008-10-16T03:00:00.000+02:00The purveyors of Otzar Beit Din etrogim here are o...The purveyors of Otzar Beit Din etrogim here are offering to send them back to Israel immediately after the chag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-4865438386073940052008-10-15T23:53:00.000+02:002008-10-15T23:53:00.000+02:00I used to not have the patience or desire to pick ...I used to not have the patience or desire to pick out the "perfect" esrog. Then someone pointed out that the esrog symbolizes the heart. If Hashem were giving out hearts to people for their bodies, they probably wouldnt' want something that just comes in sealed box and get whatever they get (unless they really had faith in the person who examined it). So when we are choosing such a chefzah shel mitzvah, we should try to take a similar approach and hand pick something that is as close to perfect as we can find.<BR/><BR/>It may not be a perfect parallel, but the point hit home.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-85833505176024938352008-10-15T07:45:00.000+02:002008-10-15T07:45:00.000+02:00anonymous - the OBD veggies wer euntil about chann...anonymous - the OBD veggies wer euntil about channukah time. After that veggies are sefichin, as there are pretty much no more from what was planted before the last rosh hashana. I heard there were some tomatoes OBD later than that, but most veggies were finished with OBD around channukah time.<BR/><BR/>elchonon - of course I open it up and look as it before yom tov, but that is mainly to make sure they did not stick a pomegranate in the box instead of an esrog.<BR/><BR/>C Abbi - the veggies they had later in the year, mostly after channukah, were not OBD. They were mostly from outside of the borders of Eretz Yisrael, or matza menutak or other solutions.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-22670734161750576772008-10-15T07:27:00.000+02:002008-10-15T07:27:00.000+02:00During shmitta our local store had otzar beit din ...During shmitta our local store had otzar beit din fruits and veggies through otzar ha'aretz.<BR/><BR/>NOw, after shmitta, there are only otzar beit din fruits.Commenter Abbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753256568022159103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-18220031062467018882008-10-15T04:26:00.000+02:002008-10-15T04:26:00.000+02:00I dont inspect hadasim or lulavim.. I just buy meh...I dont inspect hadasim or lulavim.. I just buy mehudar koreia lulavim and hadasim I get every year from michoel ben chorin.<BR/><BR/>Esrogim its a mitzva to inspect, not the hidur of the mitzva rather the torah explicitly states "pri eitz hadar" the pshat of hadar while we are meramez it as a esrog nonetheless it needs to be hadar and as such its a mitzvah to inspect.<BR/><BR/>If you dont have to time, you should at least be zoche in opening the box and examining the esrog after purchasing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-5492630911805402812008-10-15T00:34:00.000+02:002008-10-15T00:34:00.000+02:00There is no such thing as otzar beis din veggies. ...There is no such thing as otzar beis din veggies. it only works for fruits.<BR/><BR/>That said, for esrogim i spoke to a merchant. he said that he gets 10 shekel per otzar BD esrog that he passes on. If you sell 150 esrogim, you make 1500 shekels. assuming you also sell lulavim and hadasim, it will probably be worth the guys time, even though hes not making the killing he makes the other 6 years.<BR/><BR/>The way it works is that the BD determines how much the expenses are. Then they try to estimate how many esrogim will be used. Then they make 3 prices. The "real" price, the high price and the low price. In the end, the hope is that the high and low prices offset and they make their costs and expenses. Thats why the Edah's esrogim for example were selling for something like 5 shekel a pop on erev YT since the night before the BD sat and determined that if they sell "x" amount of esrogim (x=the number they figured they would sell if the prices were dirt cheap) at "y" price, and combine that amount of money with the money already brought it, then they will break even - which is the goal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-19187409315215082272008-10-14T21:34:00.000+02:002008-10-14T21:34:00.000+02:00"I still find it hard to understand how when shmit..."I still find it hard to understand how when shmitta means everything is supposed to be free, and the Otzar Beis Din system means they charge for the costs, why things are so expensive. they say they are just covering the costs, but it seems the costs are so much higher than in regular years. And not just for esrogs. Otzar Beis Din vegetables (when they were available) during the year were also expensive. Why does it cost more to pick a cucumber and send it to the "store" during shmitta than it does the other six years?"<BR/><BR/>*sigh*<BR/><BR/>I wish that I had an answer!Cosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.com