tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post1247365400659414132..comments2024-03-28T15:14:16.180+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: Interesting Psak from Rav Elyashiv: Davening on behalf of a non-JewRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-53166167893029590742009-10-15T00:51:22.024+02:002009-10-15T00:51:22.024+02:00We're allowed to daven for leaders as they hav...We're allowed to daven for leaders as they have a din of melech as we find that Yaakov Avinu davened for Paroh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-15290357631025607892009-10-15T00:17:10.106+02:002009-10-15T00:17:10.106+02:00I dont remember the details right now, but I do re...I dont remember the details right now, but I do remember that when we learned hilchos avoda zara there was such a distinction. Maybe we misunderstood te differences between Catholics and other strains of Christianity, but I remember we did differentiate and called Catholicism Avoda Zara even for a goy, while other strains are only for a Jew.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-88282693038129004312009-10-14T23:53:51.785+02:002009-10-14T23:53:51.785+02:00Why do you make a distinction between Catholics an...Why do you make a distinction between Catholics and other Christians? We hold like Tosafos that Christians are not ovdei avodah zarah and merely believe in shituf, which is assur for a Jew who's commanded in yichud Hashem but not for bnei Noach. This is how the Rema poskins in Shulchan Aruch – that we can do business with the non-Jews and don’t have to worry that they’ll make a shavuah to avodah zara. And Tosafos was certainly talking about Catholicism, because that’s all there was in their day and age.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13519528474966337749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-53942438182878421062009-10-14T22:18:11.917+02:002009-10-14T22:18:11.917+02:00what's the hava aminah? at minimum, for a goy...what's the hava aminah? at minimum, for a goy who believes in monotheism, it's alloweed. v'ho rayeh - they are allowed to bring a shelamim and one can bring it on their behalf. and the cohen must have kavanah as for who the korban is for and what it is, etc. as well we pray for the world and the oomos haolam every day.shaya gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-62564062586667790492009-10-14T18:55:15.128+02:002009-10-14T18:55:15.128+02:00Joel - you mean if they donate to kupat Ha'Ir ...Joel - you mean if they donate to kupat Ha'Ir and dont say anything about not being non-Jewish? I guess that would work. but maybe the prayer would be ineffective...Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-90413033586515767132009-10-14T18:51:55.412+02:002009-10-14T18:51:55.412+02:00We say a prayer for the government which names pos...We say a prayer for the government which names positions.<br />What about if the Non-Jew gives to an organization that promises to have a gadol pray for you?<br /><br />KT<br />Joel RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-71467065980689996432009-10-14T18:34:03.144+02:002009-10-14T18:34:03.144+02:00maybe you should stop doing so.. :-)
who do we da...maybe you should stop doing so.. :-)<br /><br />who do we daven for regularly? shuls might say prayer for the government, but that is not for a specific non-Jew idol worshiper.<br /><br />who do we daven for?Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-78035024452915112762009-10-14T18:02:45.688+02:002009-10-14T18:02:45.688+02:00we daven for all sorts of political leaders who ar...we daven for all sorts of political leaders who are goyyim (and in some case idolators)Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.com