tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post2424174826156138107..comments2024-03-29T06:05:20.562+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: Dikduk B'MitzvosRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-63589776772747786852009-06-25T14:57:11.995+03:002009-06-25T14:57:11.995+03:00Party Pooper, even if it had simanim, there is sti...Party Pooper, even if it had simanim, there is still almost definitely ye'ush because it's such a public place, assuming enough time has passed. He would not expect to get it back. therefore, they went lifnim meshuras hadin hereYosefnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-42665296728219774972009-06-24T22:21:20.251+03:002009-06-24T22:21:20.251+03:00party pooper - mordechai already wrote in, btu I w...party pooper - mordechai already wrote in, btu I was thinking about this tonight a bit and decided you were wrong. mordechai might be right, but let's say the screwdriver did have a siman and they were obligated to do hashavas aveida.<br />The mitzva is for them to take it and announce it and hold it until it is claimed. They do not have to go to every building looking for the owner. they had to put up a sign, or some other form of announcing, and wait until the owner came to them. They went beyond that by putting up a sign and then moving it regularly so as to give it more exposure.<br /><br />the only thing possibly wrong was putting the screwdriver with the sign where anybody could have taken it. Seemingly they should have kept it at home and left their phone number.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-12009941996271948202009-06-24T21:07:12.500+03:002009-06-24T21:07:12.500+03:00Mordechai,
You are absolutely correct.
I was worki...Mordechai,<br />You are absolutely correct.<br />I was working with the assumption that the screwdriver had simanim, because without simanim they had no mitzva of hashovas aveida in the first place.<br />Once they picked it up, though, it's quite possible that they now have a problem: they are a shomer aveida for an object that has no simanim, and nobody is believed for t'fisas ayin nowadays, so maybe it's a case of "y'hey munach" for them! At least the S"A HaRav says so.<br />Sure, there are hetterim, and perhaps I should be more dan l'kaf z'chus... :)<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />PPShaul Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13657787388625188732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-87754001696902061602009-06-24T20:55:13.003+03:002009-06-24T20:55:13.003+03:00note to party pooper...
I think you are wrong, an...note to party pooper...<br /><br />I think you are wrong, and that the girls were halachically correct.<br /><br />Since a typical screwdriver has no siman, they technically would have been able to keep it for themselves (assuming that the screwdriver was found after ye'ush). <br /><br />Thus they would be allowed to hang up (their own item) as they did.<br /><br />mordechai cohenmordechai cohennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-7730958533609477502009-06-24T16:45:46.245+03:002009-06-24T16:45:46.245+03:00Rather be a party pooper than a poopy parter, that...Rather be a party pooper than a poopy parter, that's what I say. :DShaul Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13657787388625188732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-81855700550368359292009-06-24T16:38:00.232+03:002009-06-24T16:38:00.232+03:00And loving it!And loving it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-22164907117147817592009-06-24T15:32:52.579+03:002009-06-24T15:32:52.579+03:00of course, but you are being a party pooperof course, but you are being a party pooperRafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-70860110847299961612009-06-24T15:31:02.658+03:002009-06-24T15:31:02.658+03:00I hate to be a party pooper, but what those girls ...I hate to be a party pooper, but what those girls did was not a correct fulfillment of hashovas aveida.<br /><br />When you pick up an aveida, you become a shomer aveida, i.e. you have responsibility for looking after the item until the owner claims it. Leaving the item taped to a door and moving it to the next door every day is not a kiyum of sh'mira - I would say it's a p'shia! They should rather have printed posters and put one on every door with their phone number, so the reightful owner could claim it al pi simanim. Who's to say that the rightful owner claimed that item, and not stam a ganav?Shaul Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13657787388625188732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-68876889612075876682009-06-24T14:10:02.242+03:002009-06-24T14:10:02.242+03:00I have had several cases here in Israel where non-...I have had several cases here in Israel where non-religious supermarket clerks had inadvertantly NOT rung up on the register an item of low value.<br /><br />When I would point this out to them after paying and reviewing my receipt, some of them thought I came from another planet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com