tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post310546553474784217..comments2024-03-29T11:40:46.477+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: Is Eli Cohen anti-haredi and running an anti-haredi campaign as accused by Moshe Abutbol?Rafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-89049722278512512372013-09-18T00:10:40.636+03:002013-09-18T00:10:40.636+03:00It is shame that you write anonymously. Eli has ma...It is shame that you write anonymously. Eli has made it crystal clear that his plan is to return the city to the citizens - and that means all the citizens. He has been crystal clear that it is completely unacceptable that Haredi schools learn in sub-standard caravans charading as schools, that Haredi (or any neighbourhood) should suffer from chronic lack of hygiene and basic public health, a particular complaint in RBS. Unless you have a somewhat negative view of Tov, it is almost amusing to consider Eli as anti Haredi, otherwise why would Aharon Solomon et al be actively supporting him. <br />This election is not about Haredi vs non-Haredi (even though Abutbol is desperate to make it so), and Eli is as much Anti-Haredi as I am the Queen of England.Daniel Goldmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07102060423780326204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-60547891447749312232013-09-17T21:40:14.362+03:002013-09-17T21:40:14.362+03:00It seems clear to me that Eli Cohen's campaign...It seems clear to me that Eli Cohen's campaign's undertone is anti Haredi.<br />His slogan "Bet Shemesh is returning to its residents" is appealing to those who want to take back the city from the non- residents who have captured it.<br />And who must it be taken back from- obviously those dark Haredi forces who are not the true Bet Shemesh residents.<br />Bet Shemesh is a primary front in the religious war in Israel. Supporting Eli Cohen is definitely siding against the Haredim- just like in the national elections supporting Habayit Hayehudi (with hindsight) was an anti- Haredi voteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-64012444912682991222013-09-17T12:01:39.634+03:002013-09-17T12:01:39.634+03:00it should really be in Hebrew too, you are right....it should really be in Hebrew too, you are right. however it is not preaching to the choir. there is a significant "anglo" sector, at least in RBS A, that is aligned with Abutbol and locally only reads Chadash (the English side), and they can benefit from the ideas I presented...Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-85223092799407545722013-09-17T11:49:07.037+03:002013-09-17T11:49:07.037+03:00The focus of the negative campaign is primarily fo...The focus of the negative campaign is primarily focused on the Hebrew speaking vote, (Chadash should be a good barometer of this), so I think you are preaching to the choir here. This should be published in Hebrew blogs, Chadrei Chareidim, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-42646370353199080992013-09-17T11:47:35.699+03:002013-09-17T11:47:35.699+03:00first of all, let me say that I am not privy to th...first of all, let me say that I am not privy to the campaign strategy and all the inner workings of the campaign. anything I say is my own logic/conjecture.thoughts..<br /><br />2nd, I have not seen any polls, and I am told there havent been any, since the sekker finished. I am told that will change soon, but I am not privy to any new polls in the last 4 weeks or so.<br /><br />3rd, perhaps the answer is as someone said, that it was a mistake. but I see it differently (again, just my opinion), the sekker was specifically designed to be the Zionist camp, and not inclusive of the haredi camp. The theory, I think, was that even if Abutbol should get every single haredi vote, the non-haredi vote should go to a single candidate and that candidate should be determined by a sekker. Those ads were before the sekker trying to influence people to vote for him in the sekker, which had that goal in mind! specifically to show the difference between each candidate in how many votes he could gather against the haredi vote for Abutbol. So those polls, I think, were designed specifically to match the goals of the sekker.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-81861892300524905392013-09-17T11:30:06.444+03:002013-09-17T11:30:06.444+03:00Rafi - isn't it true that Eli's campaign f...Rafi - isn't it true that Eli's campaign from day one has been polling the "hareidi" vote versus the "non-haredi" vote - dividing the city and essentially messaging to the public that "we" don't need the "hareidim" to win. I remember ads on the back of buses with polling graphs with such a message.<br />That seems to be mentioning Hareidim and quite divisively as well. It seems that Eli started and Abutbul is just continuing the conversation.<br />No?SDavidRamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14538367108960964416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-69433280776164031222013-09-17T11:20:27.698+03:002013-09-17T11:20:27.698+03:00Any chance of getting this, or something similar, ...Any chance of getting this, or something similar, published in Chadash, Mishpacha, etc?Giladnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-14039421108900573622013-09-17T08:40:10.846+03:002013-09-17T08:40:10.846+03:00The bottom line is that Moshe Abutbol does not res...The bottom line is that Moshe Abutbol does not respect the intelligence of Bet Shemesh residents.<br /><br />Does he really think that the playgrounds NOW make him a good mayor? Or that cleaning up NOW will convince us to forget his inept past? Or that making this election into a Charedim vs Non charedim will make us vote for him out of fear?<br /><br />I hope that others like me see right through his silly games.<br /><br />If we don't, however, and he can truly pull the wool over the eyes of the "sheep" of this city...<br /><br />then we truly deserve the bleak future that another 5 years of Moshe Abutbol will bring.Thinking Charedinoreply@blogger.com