tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post3311263133799200804..comments2024-03-29T06:05:20.562+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: making a kiddush hashem rather than an inadvertent chillul hashemRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-18647791771140476752010-11-16T20:12:50.737+02:002010-11-16T20:12:50.737+02:00I think there is another important lesson that is ...I think there is another important lesson that is being missed here.<br /><br />We need to learn to here tochacha (from whoever says it), take it to heart, and act on it if necessary. This whole story would be different if it ended with the two buchrim hearing the writers admonition, and honestly apologizing for their behavior.Daniel Israelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-62761607066193868222010-11-16T12:21:49.834+02:002010-11-16T12:21:49.834+02:00This is far from a dati leumi vs charedi issue. E...This is far from a dati leumi vs charedi issue. Even in non charedi modern orthodox "anglo" communities (i.e., Nofei Aviv) there is alot of bad chinuch going. 5th and 6th grade girls bully other girls in the same class telling them no one is coming to their bat mitzvah and "we all got together and we all agree that not one of us are coming to your bat mitzvah. You have no friends...Ha Ha Ha..." This happened to our child and when I asked 2 of the other girls' mothers to speak to their daughters and begged them to tell their daughters to stop tormenting our child and also to invite my daughter to their girls' bat mitzvahs they said "oh dont get involved...they'll work it out..." A third mother (who is some sort of abuse therapist) denied her precious daughter would ever do such a thing. How dare I even say such a thing! Basically, since it wasn't their daughter who was being socially ostracized so they couldn't care less. Meanwhile, my daughter suffered and we were shocked that the other parents of that "caring" community didnt give a hoot. Our daughter was subject to ridicule at school and these girls made additional fun of her because I asked to get her invited. Can you imagine, I begged them to invite our child and they refused and the girls make fun of her. We will never forget what the Nofei Aviv people there did to us and our child. And these are not charedim these are your dati leumi folks.Modern Orthodox of Nofei Avivnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-60872955331681144252010-11-15T17:52:59.106+02:002010-11-15T17:52:59.106+02:00I think more than entitlement it's because chi...I think more than entitlement it's because chinuch nowadays has the wrong emphasis.<br /><br />Go to a charedi parenting class, they're telling the girls their job is to raise the next Gadol Hador.<br /><br />Everyone is so focused on the end-result of making boys top-top-top in learning that they aren't starting with the fundamental building blocks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-30422921892782976332010-11-15T17:03:10.165+02:002010-11-15T17:03:10.165+02:00Two things:
- This type of lack of manners seems ...Two things:<br /><br />- This type of lack of manners seems to be a general problem in Israeli society, at least as compared to the US. (Though not to Brooklyn.)<br /><br />- That said, it does appear to be worse among the more "religious" segments of society. I think this applies in the US too. I'm sure there are many reasons for it, but one of them has to be a sense of entitlement that's being fostered in the system.Michael Lipkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11501487897038161582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-23021073920974443422010-11-15T16:46:21.161+02:002010-11-15T16:46:21.161+02:00It is also due to the amount of "bitul" ...It is also due to the amount of "bitul" of others in the Charedi community.<br /><br />When another Jew's kashrus,schools,buses,shuls,tzedka,skirt length,kippa color and material,etc aren't "good enough" then everything about them is substandard hence the attitude that "we are better".<br /><br />If we are better we deserve to cut in line, receive more benefits, force our ways, etc on the others who aren't like us.Untermenschnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-6792375593649466942010-11-15T16:38:39.076+02:002010-11-15T16:38:39.076+02:00"People who don't think" also isn..."People who don't think" also isn't really an excuse. My frei MO elementary school drilled into my from first grade that all of my actions reflect on me, my family and my community. I ALWAYS need to think about how my actions speak for me. At 35, I still take this to heart.<br /><br />It doesn't sound like this is a midda that's really ingrained in the charedi community. Correct me if i'm wrong.Commenter Abbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753256568022159103noreply@blogger.com