tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post3849877528178669781..comments2024-03-28T09:43:50.919+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: The letter I sent to Haredi MKs about Bet Shemesh violenceRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-40505087593625951942008-01-23T09:35:00.000+02:002008-01-23T09:35:00.000+02:00Miz- you'd think, wouldn't you??dafneighbor - I co...Miz- you'd think, wouldn't you??<BR/><BR/>dafneighbor - I considered that they would not understand the letter, but I figured to type it up in hebrew would take about 3 days (my english typing is slow because of my hunt and peck skills, but in Hebrew it is slower than a snail) and I would never have the patience to finish it....<BR/><BR/>I figure they get all that money for assistants and public relations people, they must have one or two that speak english who can read it to them.<BR/><BR/>Don't worry - if I get a response I will be sure to post it. Just don't hold your breath waiting for one.<BR/><BR/>Didn't you read in all the Haredi press a few weeks ago that the rabbonim have permitted internet access (with restrictions, but they permitted it)Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-79873670757927202282008-01-23T09:29:00.000+02:002008-01-23T09:29:00.000+02:00Kol Hakavod Rafi! Thank you!Kol Hakavod Rafi! Thank you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-13173904585542775512008-01-22T23:05:00.000+02:002008-01-22T23:05:00.000+02:00Anon,While I appreciate where you are coming from ...Anon,<BR/><BR/>While I appreciate where you are coming from I must say that I attended the Kupa Melave Malka where he was a keynote speaker. People should also know that the Mora D'asra was a founder of the Kupa. It's not just a matter of Kavod...he has a major voice.<BR/>It is also because that people are afraid of him that he has the control. The mikve wouldn't even be an issue if other rabbonim here would stand up to his rhetoric.<BR/><BR/>You may think that he is simply a voice of unreason. However there are enough people in RBSA who listen to him that people have been hurt and organizations/schools, etc have been slandered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-38487316020574558622008-01-22T17:26:00.000+02:002008-01-22T17:26:00.000+02:00Rbsforall- It's not that bad.The "Mora D'Osra" do...Rbsforall-<BR/> It's not that bad.The "Mora D'Osra" doesn't control the organizations that you think.<BR/> <BR/> Definitely , definitely, not Hakshiva(R'Kornfeld is most involved I think).<BR/><BR/> And not the Kupa either. A Kupa rep told me that they humor him because they get more done than antagonizing him over some kavod.<BR/><BR/> The mikva is more of a problem though.I don't care what he does in his shuls.<BR/><BR/> Personally, I hope that if he ever tried to use his control to exclude others, that the people of the organizations wouldn't stand for it.<BR/><BR/>Solly G.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-82560605140569639262008-01-22T17:13:00.000+02:002008-01-22T17:13:00.000+02:00Good for you Rafi and very well said!And as a side...Good for you Rafi and very well said!<BR/><BR/>And as a side note, I can't help but ask if right now don't all Jews have bigger and better (some would argue even existential) battles to fight than perpetrating violence on each other?We're the ones who have to put up with themhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01053331977465408238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-71164309313136010132008-01-22T15:07:00.000+02:002008-01-22T15:07:00.000+02:00technically they are not the same. the question is...technically they are not the same. the question is whether by not speaking out against these ones, those ones support them or notRafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-44832964253816666822008-01-22T15:06:00.000+02:002008-01-22T15:06:00.000+02:00The ones who broke up the choir (and injured peopl...The ones who broke up the choir (and injured people in the fray) were under the direct command of the Mora D'Asra of RBSA.<BR/><BR/>This Mora D'Asra is also the Rav of our mikveh (and wants control of the new one), the Rav of Kupa Shel Tzedaka RBSA and the rav of 2 large shuls. I have also seen his name associated with Hakshiva.<BR/><BR/>As I said..when we support the organizations of these people we are giving them more power and control to shape RBSA as they see fit.<BR/><BR/>Let's show these thugs that we won't be bullied or terrorized.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-64303552222315802142008-01-22T14:53:00.000+02:002008-01-22T14:53:00.000+02:00Were these the same types that broke up the boys c...Were these the same types that broke up the boys choir concert due to mixed/family seating?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-91968097118933501882008-01-22T14:07:00.000+02:002008-01-22T14:07:00.000+02:00To the best of my knowledge Lema'an Achai was the ...To the best of my knowledge Lema'an Achai was the only organization to address the issue during the summer violence.<BR/><BR/>Their Ahavas Chinam poster was a loud and clear message.<BR/><BR/>I personally began to support them more after that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-21358377691640259032008-01-22T13:23:00.000+02:002008-01-22T13:23:00.000+02:00as far as I know, the local RBS tzedaka only suppo...as far as I know, the local RBS tzedaka only supports local RBS A residents. I do not know that for sure though. <BR/>Next time a rep from th ekupa comes to your door, you can ask themRafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-75042238276601071592008-01-22T13:17:00.000+02:002008-01-22T13:17:00.000+02:00I would like to hear the daath Torah of the Rabbon...I would like to hear the daath Torah of the Rabbonim who supervise the local RBS tzedakah organizations. Their public comments will determine where my tzedakah goes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-36085247901755530732008-01-22T12:50:00.000+02:002008-01-22T12:50:00.000+02:00Rafi, Once again you've done a great service on be...Rafi, <BR/>Once again you've done a great service on behalf of our community!<BR/><BR/>There is something else that we can do right here in RBS.<BR/><BR/>A great Rav once said that in Europe the Rabbanim that controlled the community services (like the mikva,tomchei shabbos, tzedaka, etc) had control over the entire city.<BR/><BR/>We have seen in Betar that there is a "Vaad" who decides who can live there and who can not. Is RBS next?<BR/><BR/>Our community has many organizations that do good work. But who controls them? If we allow the Rabbonim who are "less tolerant" control the new mikve on Dolev, Tzedaka organizations, Kiruv, etc. they will ultimatley have the say in whom and how people get help.<BR/><BR/>By empowering organizations who rely on such Rabbonim we will be the ones who change the face of RBS and not for the better.<BR/><BR/>Let us band together and support the schools, shuls and organizations that are there for everyone and improve our city.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-16434855307715931412008-01-22T11:26:00.000+02:002008-01-22T11:26:00.000+02:00I don't think these guys understand too much Engli...I don't think these guys understand too much English. I think we'd all be interested to hear if you get any response at all.<BR/>BTW - how do these guys have e-mail access, I thought it was all assur!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-14032129372069765852008-01-21T23:00:00.000+02:002008-01-21T23:00:00.000+02:00guts? it takes guts to send an email to a public r...guts? it takes guts to send an email to a public representative with a complaint?Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-86062008393099780092008-01-21T22:44:00.000+02:002008-01-21T22:44:00.000+02:00You've got guts my friend!You've got guts my friend!Cosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-62089261663332619872008-01-21T22:16:00.000+02:002008-01-21T22:16:00.000+02:00don't forget - shteekka k'hoda'ahdon't forget - shteekka k'hoda'ahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-11863532369117746222008-01-21T21:19:00.000+02:002008-01-21T21:19:00.000+02:00Excellent example of taking action... good for you...Excellent example of taking action... good for you, man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com