tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post38512018542217724..comments2024-03-28T18:05:05.267+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: Orot Banot With no place to learn?Rafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-32784602461614596212011-08-30T09:52:03.177+03:002011-08-30T09:52:03.177+03:00To "Really":
If you think these issues...To "Really": <br /><br />If you think these issues are petty, you don't understand the issues. The options are to simply roll over and let thugs run rampant or to take legal, non violent actions that might be effective. <br />School starts in just a few days. These girls have to attend school someplace, and we all had every reason to believe the issues were all settled. The building is prepared; the doors even have names of teachers.<br /><br />Regarding your comment about "loathing": At the hafgana last night there was no violence, just a show of support. Barely any chanting, and there was even some music playing. I won't pretend there were NO hard feelings, but the sense I got wasn't "we hate the other side". It was "don't tread on me". The amount of disruption a last minute change will mean to these girls and their parents is hard to imagine.<br /><br />Regarding Sulam, if you read my earlier post, you'll see no evidence of "loathing" either. I got involved in complaints against the earlier non-family occupants of the house as well. The basis of the complaints are clearly not directed at one particular group. The complaints are "this is inappropriate for the area and degrades the quality of life of the residents unfairly".<br /><br />Saying "why can't we just all love each other" looks great on paper but ignores real issues.Srulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06919048577033748285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-33327032094003379542011-08-29T17:37:40.760+03:002011-08-29T17:37:40.760+03:00If this issue isnt proof that hashem luvs Am Yisro...If this issue isnt proof that hashem luvs Am Yisroel, that I dont know what could be. Any deity based on reason would certainly destroy the occupants of beit Shemesh, given their propensity for pettiness and internecine loathing.<br />It's Elul, guys!!! Come one!!!!Really???https://www.blogger.com/profile/12090599673305710990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-71666520333596527242011-08-29T16:47:12.095+03:002011-08-29T16:47:12.095+03:00I really hate to see this debate overshadow the Or...I really hate to see this debate overshadow the Orot issue, but I feel I have to comment about the Sulam issue:<br />I personally never cared about the fact that the Sulam school was Charedi run. It's a great organization, and they perform a desperately needed function. But we were their neighbor, and we were seriously affected by their presence. There were many disturbing incidents while we was living there. I don't feel it's necessary to enumerate these; you've seen the complaints elsewhere. <br /><br />The owner of the house had previously rented that place to another school as a dorm. This wasn't a charedi school. We complained then, too, and we succeeded in getting the owner not to renew the lease. Clearly it wasn't a case of being prejudiced against Charedi.<br /><br />Having a school in a residential neighborhood is simply wrong. There's a flow to traffic that is disturbed, a flow to noise, and yes, a reduction in property values. The area isn't zoned for a school, the streets aren't constructed to accommodate the traffic, and the neighbors find it disturbing. We'd find it disturbing even if it were a normal school of any kind. But a school where kids make loud noises that isn't normal kid noise but constant wailing unsettles everyone.<br /><br />If you want to complain about other businesses, that's your prerogative. Talk to the Vaad.Srulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06919048577033748285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-88152584020939539142011-08-29T16:36:16.933+03:002011-08-29T16:36:16.933+03:00The issue of breaking into the school is actually ...The issue of breaking into the school is actually our ethiopian neighbors across the street and not local aviv kids. yes, we are asking all the time where are the parents as they vandalize our shul and throw rocks at our kids...<br /><br />I also think that your claim about the camp is a good claim and there are definitely unhappy families there, but there is no comparison between that and zoning a school to be in a private house. Its illegal. We should not even have to debate it. And the iriya pays the rent to this owner for it.<br /><br />And yes, kids (girls) get spat at, debris thrown at them and name calling when they walk by.David Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12920751952850890325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-71139275352624007802011-08-29T16:20:23.542+03:002011-08-29T16:20:23.542+03:00i dont know anything about those issues being deba...i dont know anything about those issues being debated by anonymous or David R.<br /><br />I would point out though the double standard of the mayor. he doesnt want to put a non-charedi school in or near a charedi neighborhood, but he has no problem putting charedi schools in non-charedi neighborhoods (like Sulam along with other schools)Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-43357695262023280932011-08-29T16:17:30.335+03:002011-08-29T16:17:30.335+03:00You never address the camp business. The camp cre...You never address the camp business. The camp creates traffic issues every morning and the people on the block are upset but they never did anything about it. You dont address this at all. Double Standard. As to other businesses they too make noise and have cars parking but again nobody cares since they are not Charadi. Double Standard. As to your claim the Sulam school kids threw rocks - I never heard anything about rocks being thrown at any Aviv kid. Your statement is outrageous. You imply bored Aviv kids "break in" and play in the Sulam School - that is the problem of the Sulam School. BTW where are the bored kids' parents? Oh another double standard. Its OK for anglos to break in. I know several Aviv residents on Yasmin and they never said anything about it. Do you live there and if so did you personally witness rock throwing? If not, repeating rumor is wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-66138114953614596562011-08-29T15:25:06.530+03:002011-08-29T15:25:06.530+03:00There are a few differences:
1. A business that ha...There are a few differences:<br />1. A business that has appointments where one person comes at a time cannot be compared to a school that has buses and one taxi per teacher dropping off in the morning. It is a serious hazard.<br />2. A school next door to a family with 2 babies under a year old that has no quiet all day to put their kids to sleep is much different<br />3. a school means no one lives there which leads to the local bored kids breaking in on shabbat and playing on the mitkanim<br />4. a school without regular residents harms the fabric of a small block where there is one less family living there<br />5. Most businesses dont have patrons who throw rocks at the kids as they walk home from the bus (yes i know they are autistic but the rocks are still real)David Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12920751952850890325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-11748587665894291062011-08-29T15:24:47.744+03:002011-08-29T15:24:47.744+03:00The Bet Shemesh Taliban seems to be at it again!The Bet Shemesh Taliban seems to be at it again!Zach Kessinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04276155117746098546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-26895004794813102942011-08-29T15:20:11.789+03:002011-08-29T15:20:11.789+03:00The folks of Aviv employ a double standard. They ...The folks of Aviv employ a double standard. They didnt want a "business" in their neighborhood but the real reason was it was a Chardei special needs school.<br /><br />Many Avivians run businesses out of their homes like day camps (which endanger kids walking and create dangerous traffic situations) but since the people running THOSE businesses are like them - not Chardei - the residents allow those businesses to slide. Good for the special needs school. Thumbs Down to the Nofei Aviv kehilla.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-67018486626579203472011-08-29T15:07:00.417+03:002011-08-29T15:07:00.417+03:00Here is a link to an article and interview with sp...Here is a link to an article and interview with spokesman for vaad horim:<br />http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/225099David Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12920751952850890325noreply@blogger.com