tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post4802635006780713844..comments2024-03-28T09:43:50.919+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: Email of the Day (eotd)Rafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-61738680665395534962009-02-23T11:17:00.000+02:002009-02-23T11:17:00.000+02:00could be. all our problems are blamed on tzniyut, ...could be. all our problems are blamed on tzniyut, and all our successes are credited to tzniyut....Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-65400053239104264282009-02-23T11:16:00.000+02:002009-02-23T11:16:00.000+02:00It seems to me that tzniut is the new avodah zarah...It seems to me that tzniut is the new avodah zarah, sacrifices and all.Rahel Jaskowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05626844724417933492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-81252553996627648892009-02-22T01:43:00.000+02:002009-02-22T01:43:00.000+02:00Cereal Stalker said... The ultimate...I bought ...Cereal Stalker said...<BR/><BR/> The ultimate...I bought Cheerios at Shefa Shuk.<BR/><BR/> The mother in the family picture on the back has been covered with a sticker...HELP US!!!!<BR/><BR/>GOD BLESS US FOR HAVING THE SECULAR GOVERNMENT IN POWER!!! ANYTHING EXTRA = INSANITY -- listen to the RAMBAM he was a WISE MAN!!! and THEY THREW HIM INTO HEREM!M b Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13204850296933266367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-47689518052374640592009-02-19T23:21:00.000+02:002009-02-19T23:21:00.000+02:00it doesnt bother me because I know I dont feel the...it doesnt bother me because I know I dont feel the need or urge to lunge at every woman I see in the street. I feel bad for them though that they do have that urge...Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-4474070921897401982009-02-19T22:41:00.000+02:002009-02-19T22:41:00.000+02:00The ultimate...I bought Cheerios at Shefa Shuk.The...The ultimate...I bought Cheerios at Shefa Shuk.<BR/><BR/>The mother in the family picture on the back has been covered with a sticker...HELP US!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-62403699123679258012009-02-19T22:26:00.000+02:002009-02-19T22:26:00.000+02:00Much of the obsession and very public discussions ...Much of the obsession and very public discussions about tznius are, in my humble opinion, "lo-tzanua". Men meeting, talking, and writing publicly about how women dress, what they're wearing, or anything of the sort is just a flimsy excuse for some to indulge in discussions regarding things they can't "legitimately" discuss. I have been in situations where kollel people have commented to me about tznius issues in a way that frankly made my me blush. But it's all "kosher" because it's fighting the good fight for tznius. The yetzer horah never had it so good!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-24865160674439413232009-02-19T22:12:00.000+02:002009-02-19T22:12:00.000+02:00Rafi, doesn't that bother you? Aren't you insulted...Rafi, doesn't that bother you? Aren't you insulted by the notion that you are not enough of a responsible civilized human being to restrain yourself from lunging at every woman? <BR/><BR/>Talk about treating pple like little children....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-19413572315573105632009-02-19T21:55:00.000+02:002009-02-19T21:55:00.000+02:00anon - it seems we pretty much always relate to wo...anon - it seems we pretty much always relate to women as not having the same problem controlling themselves as men do...Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-23054492322328822782009-02-19T21:14:00.000+02:002009-02-19T21:14:00.000+02:00anon of 5:42 - your ramblings, while quite enterta...anon of 5:42 - your ramblings, while quite entertaining, make no sense at all.<BR/><BR/>EVERYONE knows that someone can be covered from HEAD to TOE and still be dressed in a very provocative manner..at the same time, someone else can be dressed in a manner which you deride as not tznius, yet in all practically is very modest and demure. For example, women's dress slacks are extremely tznius and quite elegant. A long denim skirt with short socks is NO BIG DEAL, yet according to the tznius restrictions in place, is totally unacceptable.<BR/><BR/>Dressing in a classy manner has absolutely nothing to do with the tznius restrictions that apparently you find acceptable.<BR/><BR/>And guess what? the majority of the world's men (who live in free societies) do not go into hysterics when seeing an exposed leg (gasp) or some other benign body part. It seems that YOU have been conditioned to view that as a grave sin. In fact, the majority of the world's men don't even pay attention to these things unless a woman goes out of her way to make herself stand out.<BR/><BR/>Why don't you ask yourselves why the majority of the civilized world is able to function properly and engage in civil discourse without these endless restrictions on their women? <BR/><BR/>What you are saying is tantamount to 'she deserved it for dressing that way'. These are not the words of a responsible adult. <BR/><BR/>Please grow up.<BR/><BR/>one more thing, for all you male joggers out there. It is really unfair for you to be parading through the streets in your short shorts. Some woman might be unable to contain herself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-15115767994549260082009-02-19T17:42:00.000+02:002009-02-19T17:42:00.000+02:00TO the other anonymous,You ask why should you be c...TO the other anonymous,<BR/><BR/>You ask why should you be considerate of other people.<BR/><BR/>You should be able to whatever you feel like doing regardless of how it affects other poeple.<BR/><BR/>I could think of so many ways to demostrate how this thinking is wrong I do not know where to begin so I will just leave it to the reader to understand this for his/her self.<BR/><BR/>And this of besides the fact that Halokha does impose tzniyus for just that reason - to minimize the natural male reaction to women (pritzuta d'gavrei). And no it is not referring to rape as someone 'brilliantly' assumed, there are 2 lavim.<BR/><BR/>One is 'lo taturu' the other is 'v'nishmartem'. <BR/><BR/>Both refer to looking at women for the natuarl and 'unobtrusive' pleasure such looking gives men.<BR/><BR/>It boggles the mind to see the elitist attitude that looks down on anyone who sruggles with looking at woman who are dressed to kill. One is tempted to draw the conclusion that such people either a) have no temptation to look at them (a contention that flies in the face of basic common sense, and if that is not enough try Freud. Or How does Madison avenue sell anything? Or Holywood get people to see movies? No the millions of men who drool over SI have no issues with wanting to look at women in a sexual way)<BR/><BR/>b) Have basocally decided that it is easier to deal with the tempatation by simply giving in all the time and just not worrying about it. IOW, pschologically I will be healthier if instead of fretting over my natural lusts I will be better off just indulging them and sneer at anyone who tries to say there is something wrong with that as a prude. This attitude I believe falls under the category of mumar l'tayovon <BR/><BR/>Last word: if you comment on this please take account that the issue is 'looking at women' for pleasure and thinking about them that way even if momentarily. For all this falls under the category of the 2 biblical prohibitions mentioned above.<BR/><BR/>Not rape. or spending a whole day fantacizing. ( of course some men do have problems with this too, there is a reason why the porn industry is one of the biggest industries in the US today. apparently alota lotta men have issues with thinking about women. To be doing so is not 'crazy' and rather is very very natural)<BR/><BR/>there were some other comments made that were distortions that need to be reponded to but maybe a diffretn time when Rafi posts another tznius blog as he most likely will since this has generated a high volume of action. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-46661258421077558152009-02-19T11:17:00.000+02:002009-02-19T11:17:00.000+02:00bohr,I dont know. Maybe the fact that WE ARE IN WI...bohr,<BR/><BR/>I dont know. Maybe the fact that WE ARE IN WINTER and this is the rainy season might explain why rains are falling?<BR/><BR/>Just a thought.M b Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13204850296933266367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-38030773556928581342009-02-19T10:10:00.000+02:002009-02-19T10:10:00.000+02:00no way was that response serious. sarcastic in a v...no way was that response serious. <BR/><BR/>sarcastic in a very slight, discreet wayhubscubshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10197388364331929686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-53120039078949731872009-02-19T09:25:00.000+02:002009-02-19T09:25:00.000+02:00This morning I asked my husband why he thought Has...This morning I asked my husband why he thought Hashem was sending the rains- what have we done differently to deserve them all of a sudden? I am sure that attitudes of ahavat yisroel such as these are the reasons for the Gishmai Bracha we have been receiving.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the rain comes so that women will dress with tznius, and men will be less shovavim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-325288383717217702009-02-18T22:56:00.000+02:002009-02-18T22:56:00.000+02:00"Walking around in your pajamas robe is that calle..."Walking around in your pajamas robe is that called tznius?"<BR/><BR/>Why is a garment that can be removed with one zip considered Tznius? And what is up with walking around in glorified pajamas?<BR/><BR/>Boggles the mindCommenter Abbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753256568022159103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-49776993684956723882009-02-18T20:50:00.000+02:002009-02-18T20:50:00.000+02:00Dealing with the rains currently..This reminds me ...Dealing with the rains currently..<BR/><BR/>This reminds me of when Ariel Sharon z"l(? is he dead or what) went down with his whatever he had and my friend started saying it's cause he was responsible for the Gush Katiff fiasco. I answered him "I don't know, maybe the fact that he's 80 years old 316 lbs+ at 5'7 and already has heart trouble has something to do with it". I got looked at with a stare of confusion...Come on fellas, common sense with TorahM b Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13204850296933266367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-54247723603935279322009-02-18T17:04:00.000+02:002009-02-18T17:04:00.000+02:00dan - it wasnt the lack of deep meaningful relatio...dan - it wasnt the lack of deep meaningful relationships quote, but the one where she said she had a lot of short term relationships.<BR/><BR/>Aside form that I pretty much agree with you.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-21148488588280118422009-02-18T16:47:00.000+02:002009-02-18T16:47:00.000+02:00Why is everyone so scared of sex and sexuality? Tz...Why is everyone so scared of sex and sexuality? <BR/><BR/>Tzipi Livin comments that she couldn't have deep meaningfull relationships while in the army and this blog author translates that as, "she slept around alot."<BR/>As if thats what she said.<BR/><BR/> and there is the implication that there is a judgment for people to make about that.<BR/><BR/>And apparantly religious men believe that men are barely controllable beasts. And yet women walk around all day dressed in all sorts of clothing and only a minor percentage are raped. And most of those non-raping men don't have the truth of the torah to guide them.<BR/>Perhaps the tribal history of our people will never be overcome, especially with the christian and muslim influences on today's judaism. But perhaps the hangups that the religious have about sex and sexuality is unhealthy. Perhaps if women and men were both respectful and understanding of sexuality everybody would be less stressed...or at least they'd have better cardio.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-3082217504576973452009-02-18T16:10:00.000+02:002009-02-18T16:10:00.000+02:00I wrote about this as well.I don't think it's a bi...I wrote about this as well.<BR/>I don't think it's a big jump from the letter writer's attitude to the Bruria Keren face-covering and layers phenomenon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-71245594736374855142009-02-18T15:38:00.000+02:002009-02-18T15:38:00.000+02:00The whole concept of placing the burden of Tsnius ...The whole concept of placing the burden of Tsnius on women, in my opinion, is ridiculous and totally ineffective. <BR/><BR/>From a male perspective, Men will be attracted to women no matter what they wear. In fact the act of covering certain parts of the body is what becomes the attraction. <BR/><BR/>Obviously all those who push for Tsnius have some mental issues and psychoses, and are obsessed with sexual issues. Normal men do not think about these things all day. (they are too busy actually working for a living.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-189520077197046942009-02-18T15:18:00.000+02:002009-02-18T15:18:00.000+02:00I find it interesting that these men noticed the "...I find it interesting that these men noticed the "more modest" dress. they stared long enough to differentiate. how did they decide? did they look at a woman and say - "oh, no impure thoughts about her, she must be tznius"? should do wonders for the womens self-esteem......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-70964082900396628962009-02-18T15:17:00.000+02:002009-02-18T15:17:00.000+02:00I'm wondering if there is any connection to this e...I'm wondering if there is any connection to this email and curves closing down 2 months ago? ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-41248734836443410362009-02-18T14:32:00.000+02:002009-02-18T14:32:00.000+02:00if you are right, then as long as he stays in RBS ...if you are right, then as long as he stays in RBS he can walk with his eyes open. He is in trouble only if he leaves the neighborhood!Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-42568690494798268672009-02-18T14:31:00.000+02:002009-02-18T14:31:00.000+02:00So I'm understanding the email like this. He went ...So I'm understanding the email like this. He went to a shiur on "keeping kosher eyes" and grew to "even greater heights in Ruchniyus" He walked out of shul after the shiur all psyched and ready to implement what he learnt. With his eyes covered like my kids say shema yisrael (one eye peeping) he stepped onto the street and realized that there is no need for manual shmirat einayim in RBS because the ladies do it automatically for us. <BR/>http://tinyurl.com/RBSladiesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-91782576159318886002009-02-18T13:54:00.000+02:002009-02-18T13:54:00.000+02:00Ah HECK. This is all rubbish. We are thanking wome...Ah HECK. This is all rubbish. We are thanking women for dressing tzniusly!? WHY the HECK are you looking so closely at all the women to see who is dressed tzniusly or not. Who are YOU to judge what is tznius. When a women dresses tzniuisly but screams at the cashiers in the supermarket or cuts people off in a car or almost runs over kids is that called a mitzva. This is 100% shtuyot! What about tznius women waiting for tremps and getting into cars with strange men so as not to have to pay for a cab - is that tznius. Walking around in your pajamas robe is that called tznius? when you can spend thousands of $ on a sheitel while your neighbors starve all in the name of tznius - is that OK?<BR/>Let's dwell on the important things like ahavas chinom- i.e. don't judge a person just by the way they dress - remember the outer garmets are all a costume they say nothing about the person underneath. I know women who don't cover their hair, etc who are more makpid in their ahavas chinam and making brachot than women who dress "tzniusly".<BR/><BR/>So stop the shtuyot and maybe thank everyone for taking it upon themselves to say hello to at least 3 people that they don't know everyday and we'll see how fast this neighborhood turns into alot nicer place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-34294333472095609412009-02-18T13:39:00.000+02:002009-02-18T13:39:00.000+02:00i am sick and tired of having my freedoms curtaile...i am sick and tired of having my freedoms curtailed by your issues. If you men can't control yourselves then put blinders on your eyes. The length of my sock or type of skirt I wear is none of your business. <BR/>p.s. you should all read Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She goes into detail explaining the Muslim restrictions on women's dresscode and why it is so ridiculous. I have to say it definetily came close to describing Chareidi Judaism's obsession with tzniut.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com