tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post6120717490973533258..comments2024-03-29T06:05:20.562+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: pushing off Lag B'OmerRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-81941691479360835802007-05-03T10:15:00.000+03:002007-05-03T10:15:00.000+03:00"why not push off the Lag B'Omer celebrations" -- ..."why not push off the Lag B'Omer celebrations" -- I'm pretty sure because its not real. Its just a big party, and it will be more difficult to push off a dance party in Meron than a traditional Independance Day celebration. <BR/>That's just my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-41783362741517328332007-05-03T07:26:00.000+03:002007-05-03T07:26:00.000+03:00Mike - that could be a problem... hmmm... Shabbos ...Mike - that could be a problem... hmmm... Shabbos is still "worse" than sefira....I wonder how that weighs out... hmmm I guess it would be a problem... thenthe real solution would be like the anonymous commenter to just not go. But only bnei ashkenaz would follow that. Bnei sfard and chassidim who believe in it at a much deeper level would still go....Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-61372842815979185422007-05-03T06:53:00.000+03:002007-05-03T06:53:00.000+03:00What about those who keep either all of sefira or ...What about those who keep either all of sefira or R"H Iyar - Shavous? Pushing it off won't help them.Mikeagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15827275300296295639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-21063337790870893962007-05-03T05:56:00.000+03:002007-05-03T05:56:00.000+03:00The real Ashkenazic minhag is not to go to Meron a...The real Ashkenazic minhag is not to go to Meron and not to 'celebrate' on lag baomer any year and not to make bonfires and upsherins then (upsherins not the rest of the year either).<BR/><BR/>The Chasam Sofer writes in one of his teshuvos about it.<BR/><BR/>So it should not be done at all.<BR/><BR/>The problem of chillul Shabbos that you bring up shows the danger of what can happen when people invent new rituals - they can lead to violation of ikrei hadas.<BR/><BR/>The fires can also be dangerous to individuals and property.<BR/><BR/>Let's stick to the old Torah and mitzvos and not add on new things.<BR/><BR/>Moreinu Rav Elyashiv shlita didn't go to Meron in his whole life, despite living in Eretz Yisroel for so long. He said that he feels closer to Rav Shimon ben Yochai when he learns a piece of gemara from him. Let us take a lesson from him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-57836559206707564642007-05-03T03:26:00.000+03:002007-05-03T03:26:00.000+03:00ED:what are you talking about? it is stated be-fer...ED:<BR/><BR/>what are you talking about? it is stated be-ferush in the taz on shulhan arukh y"d 159:8<BR/><BR/>but seriously, you won't find a good makor for music either (as discussed on an earlier post here).<BR/><BR/>from what i understand, the issur on music is understood as an issur on public celebrations or entertainment. thus growing up we never went to movies on sefirah.<BR/><BR/>of course going to movies is assur altogether, so you probably won't find for a makor for movies on sefirah altogether.Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-25817802487952987772007-05-03T00:54:00.000+03:002007-05-03T00:54:00.000+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-28926228892603487152007-05-03T00:50:00.000+03:002007-05-03T00:50:00.000+03:00Ed - that is an interesting suggestion. But even i...Ed - that is an interesting suggestion. But even if the number 75% is correct, I would not say it is chiloni. I was there. There were a lot of religious, much more than chiloni. The only other group that might be more than the religious might be the traditional (masorati). not the chiloni.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-17850732059430190912007-05-03T00:36:00.000+03:002007-05-03T00:36:00.000+03:00Two things1. Ari where in the world is there a m'k...Two things<BR/><BR/>1. Ari where in the world is there a m'kor for not seeing movies during sefira.<BR/><BR/>2. I heard a report that up to 75% of the people in meiron are chiloni. They don't particularly care about shabbos, and it could be claimed the extra work is being done for them.Special Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00597292243685024240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-22791937282522608662007-05-03T00:05:00.000+03:002007-05-03T00:05:00.000+03:00makes sense to me. rafi for chief rabbi of rbs!(by...makes sense to me. rafi for chief rabbi of rbs!<BR/><BR/>(byw, the israel day perade on 5th ave. this year is scheduled for lag baomer, but unfortunately i will be home cramming for finals.)<BR/><BR/>-ariAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-87553606468346427122007-05-03T00:00:00.000+03:002007-05-03T00:00:00.000+03:00if your question is about personal chillul shabbos...if your question is about personal chillul shabbos - for example if I want to go to the mall on Saturday night and I benefit from the fact that stores were open on shabbos and security gaurds worked on shabbos, first of all maybe you should not go right after shabbos if that is the case, but I would say there is a difference in the case of the individual. Nothing was done for you and nothing extra was done because you would be going. They were doing that anyway.<BR/><BR/>By the lag B'omer celebrations, the 900 police that have to go on shabbos to prepare (that is the number being used in the reports) are going almost 100% for the religious public. If religious Jews would not go, there would be no need for the police to m=be mechalel shabbos. <BR/>So the chillull shabbos is a direct result of the religious publics desire to go to Meron.<BR/><BR/>So that is why I think they should get the rabbonim to push off the celebrations to Sunday night/Monday.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-16936978954624961172007-05-02T23:52:00.000+03:002007-05-02T23:52:00.000+03:00all lag ba-omer means to me (here in america) is t...all lag ba-omer means to me (here in america) is that i can go to the movies again.<BR/><BR/>i'm not sure i understand the point of the debate. what is the difference between lag ba-omer festivities and everything else that causes hilonim to be mahalel shabbat for the sake of those who are shomere shabbat?Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.com