tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post6306484555667942018..comments2024-03-28T21:53:53.990+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: Haredim do celebrate Yom Ha'AtzmautRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-43372652438721729952010-04-20T08:56:50.040+03:002010-04-20T08:56:50.040+03:00"So dont punish for "breaking" YH, ..."So dont punish for "breaking" YH, like on Shabbos. But dont be inconsistent about it.<br /><br />Why forse observance of YH?"<br /><br />Ok, i take your point, but i still would like to know what the haredi esptablishment would like as far as religious coercion is concerned...<br /><br />regarding the larger point, i think YH is not different than the US fourth of july and we don't have big issues here with bdavka not celebrating july 4 (granted no hallel and no doing away w/ tachanun, but i mean celebration secular style) - you know, jews ought to be happy living anyplace where they are protected and free to practice judaism even if this place is not perfect. in practice, my main issue with the israeli govenment nowadays is if anything that they should be doing more IMO to protect jews, lcearly israel is a haven for jews, we've had tremendous growth of torah, and i just don't understand why not going along - not as a religious holiday, OK, butas a secular one and an expression of gratitude to the rbs"o also. these quarrels DO seem to me to be relics of the past and quite pointless. you can have a bb1 and thanks god for a govt that pays kollel checks and exempts kollel yungerleit from the army, and everyone will be happy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-28893755293635005642010-04-20T08:29:26.552+03:002010-04-20T08:29:26.552+03:00Anon - times are changing. Israel has been hear f...Anon - times are changing. Israel has been hear for 62 years and iy"H will still be here 62 years from now (and more).<br /><br />Without the State of Israel there would be hundreds of thousands of Jews without a homeland. Not all Israelis came to Israel by "choice" from the safe shores of the USA.<br /><br />Israel is not perfect - we all know that. YH is during the Omer - on that we can also agree, and therefore perhaps you can suggest that some of the festivities are without source - although there are many Rabbis who would disagree, but we should be able to acknowledge the good in the situation. Call it - "cup half-full day" if you like, and not try to act as though YH can go away if we ignore it. It won't!Shalomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-561921072357106462010-04-19T22:30:54.920+03:002010-04-19T22:30:54.920+03:00"IF you would agree that such hashkafos are a..."IF you would agree that such hashkafos are against the Torah, then you will understand why 99% of people in KS would want those kids out of school - bc their parents have crum hashkafos."<br /><br />Uh, Anon, this attitude is the definition of backward closeminded society.<br /><br />Why are against being called backward and closeminded if you believe so strongly that that's the best way to raise your kids?Commenter Abbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753256568022159103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-53521816099365109422010-04-19T20:06:50.196+03:002010-04-19T20:06:50.196+03:00I love RCS's chevra.
I dont know what he has ...I love RCS's chevra. <br />I dont know what he has to do with anything in this post. You just like him, so you give him props here on a blog. <br />I am telling you. Theres something special about you guysAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-46177011219466675132010-04-19T20:05:22.464+03:002010-04-19T20:05:22.464+03:00Shalom - I dont think its a closed minded society ...Shalom - I dont think its a closed minded society - not because of the examples you gave. I wouldnt want my kids in a school with kids of a family with hashkafos against the Torah. IF you would agree that such hashkafos are against the Torah, then you will understand why 99% of people in KS would want those kids out of school - bc their parents have crum hashkafos.<br /><br />So you are really arguing that a small celebration of YH is not against the Torah. OK - go explain that to KS who follows the Chazon Ish, the Brosker Rov etc etc on these issues, and you will find that they DO think its against the Torah.<br /><br />I think it makes a lot of sense, and if there were kids like that in my kids school, I would look for a different school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-85252744182473389412010-04-19T20:02:19.944+03:002010-04-19T20:02:19.944+03:00So dont punish for "breaking" YH, like o...So dont punish for "breaking" YH, like on Shabbos. But dont be inconsistent about it.<br /><br />Why forse observance of YH?<br /><br />Are you so scared that no one will care about your holiday? So maybe that says something about what teh state is doing, how it acts, how it leads. what it stands for. Maybe its time for a change in what the day means, and then more people will WILLINGLY celebrate itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-37168276483100257692010-04-19T13:36:30.384+03:002010-04-19T13:36:30.384+03:00http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/744024...http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/744024/Rabbi_Aaron_Soloveichik/Saying_Hallel_on_Yom_HaatzmautAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-1337433467054335232010-04-19T10:03:19.117+03:002010-04-19T10:03:19.117+03:00I understand where they stand. They feel the stat...I understand where they stand. They feel the state shouldn't have been re-established until Moshiach comes, but it's okay to reside individually. However, they STILL LOVE the Land, they just feel things were done prematurely, before it's time.smnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-40875890675501461272010-04-19T07:20:13.669+03:002010-04-19T07:20:13.669+03:00I think Meshi-Zahav is overly optimistic. Here in...I think Meshi-Zahav is overly optimistic. Here in Kiryat Sefer, I am sorry to say that all the sirens passed without a flicker of recognition. When I asked my boys what they did during the sirens I was told "nothing". YH is just another school day.<br />Both my wife and I are off work with nothing to do, and nowhere to go. If we take our kids out of school/yeshiva they will be kicked out; if we go bbq by ourselves word will get out and it could make problems for our kids. Many years ago a family of new US olim made a bbq on their porch, and their girls were almost kicked out of school. It took a lot of intervention to explain to the Principal that things are different in the US, and the family didn't mean anything! Sadly we are still living in a close-minded, backward societyShalomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-68632205262634465182010-04-19T05:58:49.813+03:002010-04-19T05:58:49.813+03:00anonymous - are you sure there should be fines for...anonymous - are you sure there should be fines for breaking shabbos? i mean to say that it may increase some forms of observance slightly, but what about causing resentment? is that really being memakerev bavsos haahava as the chazon ish writes to do? in the us, as many before me have noted, there is separation of church and state and no state-imposed religion at all, and yet i think the hightest rate of religious observance in the west...it seems today that when you dont coerce, you get more religious involvement. by contrast in the muslim world does coercion create real religiousity worth achieving? are we not better off not forcing and being mekarev by example, education etc? i really wonder if israel had separation of synagogue and state if there would not be more observance. my instinct nowadays is that there would be. i do understand that without rabbanut marriage etc there might be more intermarriage, but still i am not clear that state-imposed religion is the way to go. if haredim become more numerous - i think it's one thing to fight for religious observance on the part of the state, in national institutions etc but different to impose it on chilonim and i think it probably will be a bad idea if they do the latter. <br />one thing that worries me is that i dont think haredi establishment has given that much thought to what they would do with more power which they seem poised to get - or is that a mistake, and they have?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-34444858310052313682010-04-19T00:39:27.074+03:002010-04-19T00:39:27.074+03:00We need more normalcy.Regarding Yom Haatzmaut and ...We need more normalcy.Regarding Yom Haatzmaut and also regarding every day life in our community.<br /><br />HaRav Chayim, HaRav Chayim Solo, HaRav Chayim Soloveichik.<br /><br />A true community leader. And not just regarding the mikveh on Dolev.Normalcynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-88625772815898335452010-04-18T23:07:25.713+03:002010-04-18T23:07:25.713+03:00I dont think taking a mandatory day off from work,...I dont think taking a mandatory day off from work, and spending it with your kids at a BBQ, on a day when they are forced to be off from school - without explaining to them WHY they are off - constitutes celebrating YH. <br /><br />I also dont like the apologetics in these articles. Meshi Zahav talks like hes begging to be accepted, and the meah shearim lady doesnt sound like she has a clue.<br /><br />I live in a chareidi area - albeit not SUUUCH a chareidi stronghold - and the day passes without so much a bother. <br /><br />People walk thru the sirens on both yom hashoah and yom hazikaron. Not to disrespect, but thats not how we do things. Learning in Kollel doesnt so much as pause for the siren.<br /><br />YH passes the same way - without anyone taking notice, except that the BY schools are off. Chadorim are in full swing. Kollel doesnt give off at all. Its just annoying that stores have less hours. <br /><br />Its also *SICK* that there are worse fines for desecrating YH than for desecrating Shabbos or selling chometz on Pesach. But I guess when half your country doesnt care too much about your ideals, and the other half doesnt even know what the ideals are, you have to have laws in order to ensure that someone celebrates.<br /><br />Oh, and another thing, I dont think that looking at the fireworks is can be construed as celebrating. These same people would look at the fireworks on July 4th, Cinco demayo, as well as Dec 25, Thanksgiving, Martin Luther King Day. because its just fireworks.<br /><br />No need to pretend we celebrate. We dont. Quit the apologeticsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com