tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post6509393305111881217..comments2024-03-28T15:14:16.180+02:00Comments on Life in Israel: The Feiglin version of the Speech (video)Rafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-91767328864024365642009-06-18T08:06:25.271+03:002009-06-18T08:06:25.271+03:00Anon 4:04, Shy Guy,
If Moshe Feiglin is elected Pr...Anon 4:04, Shy Guy,<br />If Moshe Feiglin is elected Prime Minister and attempts to build the Beis HaMikdash, I will personally go to the Einam where the quarries are to shlep the stones. <br />What did I say to attack him or that the galut should be perpetuatedEli Dukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733438132131254422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-33777025364814623752009-06-18T07:36:06.655+03:002009-06-18T07:36:06.655+03:00Looking back on the posts on this thread is like r...Looking back on the posts on this thread is like reviewing the symptoms of a chronically ill patient.<br /><br />Only the illness is spiritual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-39724844486955381252009-06-18T04:04:07.305+03:002009-06-18T04:04:07.305+03:00Sounds like Mul Ha'Einaim is saying that each ...Sounds like Mul Ha'Einaim is saying that each Jew is obligated to prevent himself from being the moschiach. Sort of like saying Jews are required to stay in galut..... A fullproof philosophy for perpetuating galut.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-43176695539440435222009-06-18T01:34:41.300+03:002009-06-18T01:34:41.300+03:00Hey All,
Moshe's first book was entitled, &qu...Hey All,<br /><br />Moshe's first book was entitled, "Where There are No Men..." What is left unsaid is, "Then be a Man."<br /><br />I know Moshe very well, and the only reason he is doing this is because NO ONE ELSE is doing it.<br /><br />He gave up his normal life to "be a man". <br /><br />Please don't condemn him for this. <br /><br />He deserves to be lauded by all Jews for this.Rob Muchnickhttp://www.jewishisrael.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-51078714529823695652009-06-18T00:05:35.424+03:002009-06-18T00:05:35.424+03:00its funny after all the 70 wolves "bnei-tora...its funny after all the 70 wolves "bnei-torah" do not give your full-throated support to someone who talks about the nation of israel returning to its jewish roots stabilizing its own land and fuffiling its destiny and its capability<br /><br />you make it sound like its a bad endeavor to be involved with strengthing the jewish people and their connection to jewish values is not optional its a must!<br /><br />godol limud sheboh lidei maasehAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-39702946321874934082009-06-17T15:39:38.265+03:002009-06-17T15:39:38.265+03:00Rafi being PM per se has nothing to do with it. H...Rafi being PM per se has nothing to do with it. He wants to be PM in order to build the Mikdash, among other things. <br />It is obvious that Feiglin's view of the Geula (whether or not you accept my point) is much more rationalist, and EY oriented than a Rebbe that refused to leave Brooklyn, and felt strongly (despite his right wing views) that the State of Israel had nothing to do with the geula, and its founding itself was a violation of the ג שבועותEli Dukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733438132131254422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-81122410705630237652009-06-17T15:34:58.197+03:002009-06-17T15:34:58.197+03:00Shy Guy
Can you imagine the Yetzer Harah!
"W...Shy Guy<br />Can you imagine the Yetzer Harah!<br /> "We're surrounded by shiv'im Ze'evim",<br />aggreed<br /> "have completely incompetent leaders both in Torah and in chachmah, someone comes around and says let's follow the ways of the Avot and the messages of the Nevi'im and Gedolei Hatorah through the generations," <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I don't know what the Neviim would say about todays situation. Yeshayu and Yirmiyahu were very cautious about confronting the world powers of their day, I don't know whether they would have sanctioned the speech above<br />As the Gedolai Hatorah through the generations have different views regarding Yishuv Haaretz, Zionism, Mashiach, Geula, Mikdash, it is impossible for a person to be following them all. <br />Manhigut Yehudit is about alot of things following the Gedolai Hatorah through the generations" is not one of them, and I'm sure Moshe Feiglin would be the first to state that.<br />Moshe never really went to Yeshiva, doesn't seem to have any Rabbeim or Gedolim that he consults with, and marches to his own tune.Eli Dukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733438132131254422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-20809509155616422412009-06-17T15:33:03.926+03:002009-06-17T15:33:03.926+03:00mul - I understand the confusion caused perhaps by...mul - I understand the confusion caused perhaps by his saying he wants to build the mikdash, but what does his desire or plan to become PM have to do with it?<br /><br />The Lubavitcher rebbe never planned on becoming PM but [many of] his followers think he is/was/will be the mashiach.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-78693558020885457002009-06-17T15:32:47.439+03:002009-06-17T15:32:47.439+03:00לעולם יהא אדם ירא שמים ומודה על האמתלעולם יהא אדם ירא שמים ומודה על האמתAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-52187582437590712012009-06-17T15:30:47.056+03:002009-06-17T15:30:47.056+03:00He doesn't believe. He dreams.
So do I. It sh...He doesn't believe. He dreams.<br /><br />So do I. It should come today. Now. Here. This instant.<br /><br />Look at your first words at the top of this thread: <i>"He thinks he is the Melech HaMashiach."</i><br /><br />Grow up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-88399286694844166282009-06-17T15:24:08.145+03:002009-06-17T15:24:08.145+03:00mul - in that article he said he aspires to build ...mul - in that article he said he aspires to build and hopes he would be successful. <br />he might not be, but I too hope he would be if he was in the position to.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-22773031907474119212009-06-17T15:21:26.036+03:002009-06-17T15:21:26.036+03:00Shy Guy
Why do you think I hate him? Even if you...Shy Guy <br />Why do you think I hate him? Even if you think I'm off base, what am I accusing him of? <br />Rafi A. If he believes he will be elected but idsn't sure whether he'll build the מקדש or if<br />B.he will build the mikdash upon being elected bus isn't sure whether that will happen<br /><br />then he has no messianic pretensions<br />But if he believes A and B (which he has said, but never together)<br />then he believes he will be the MashiachEli Dukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733438132131254422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-45397955240728301172009-06-17T15:20:29.847+03:002009-06-17T15:20:29.847+03:00Can you imagine the Yetzer Harah! We're surrou...Can you imagine the Yetzer Harah! We're surrounded by shiv'im Ze'evim, have completely incompetent leaders both in Torah and in chachmah, someone comes around and says let's follow the ways of the Avot and the messages of the Nevi'im and Gedolei Hatorah through the generations, and then some groisseh chachamim come along and pull snakes out of their hats to disparage such a person.<br /><br />Achen nodah hadavar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-39482086424433310412009-06-17T15:16:09.333+03:002009-06-17T15:16:09.333+03:00Just more sin'at chinum. Nothing new under the...Just more sin'at chinum. Nothing new under the sun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-21317979437585062812009-06-17T15:11:37.334+03:002009-06-17T15:11:37.334+03:00Mul - I still see nothing wrong with him saying th...Mul - I still see nothing wrong with him saying that. I hope he would as well. <br />I am not one to decide the debate of whether it will come from heaven or be humanly built, but at least I respect that that is one serious side to the debate (I even think it is the right one, but that makes no difference). That being so, I have no problem with him aspiring to build the mikdash - aderaba, to me it is a benefit.<br /><br />But it still does not make him mashiach. Only after he would be successful, according to the quoted rambam, could that be debated.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-84756290217587842542009-06-17T15:07:59.534+03:002009-06-17T15:07:59.534+03:00Shy Guy
In one place he shows he believes he will ...Shy Guy<br />In one place he shows he believes he will be elected PM<br />In another he claims that if elected he will rebuild the mikdashEli Dukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733438132131254422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-12064056473007894382009-06-17T15:04:26.422+03:002009-06-17T15:04:26.422+03:00Shy Guy
Assuming that Moshe Feiglin has Messianic ...Shy Guy<br />Assuming that Moshe Feiglin has Messianic ambitions, why does it make him into a bad person?<br />What have I said here that implies that I hate the man, indeed I don't, he is doing what he think is outta be done for goals I by and large agree with.Eli Dukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733438132131254422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-64890104484446075442009-06-17T15:01:03.490+03:002009-06-17T15:01:03.490+03:00Nevermind. I found it:
Feiglin: If I were PM, I&#...Nevermind. I found it:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1239710740195&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull" rel="nofollow"><b>Feiglin: If I were PM, I'd rebuild the Temple</b></a><br /><br />Just read it. Can you spot your reading comprehension mistake? You seem to have many.<br /><br />You really owe the man an apology now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-55896371196051644222009-06-17T15:00:55.727+03:002009-06-17T15:00:55.727+03:00shy guy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/223...shy guy<br />http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2234955/postsEli Dukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733438132131254422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-22236151815032797492009-06-17T14:58:51.652+03:002009-06-17T14:58:51.652+03:00Once again, link, please.Once again, link, please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-69965286887255862042009-06-17T14:58:05.042+03:002009-06-17T14:58:05.042+03:00shy guy
taken from JPOST
Moshe Feiglin, head of M...shy guy <br />taken from JPOST<br />Moshe Feiglin, head of Manhigut Yehudit (Jewish Leadership Movement) said last week that if he was elected prime minister, he would try to rebuild the destroyed Temple in JerusalemEli Dukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733438132131254422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-90179723891660928832009-06-17T14:49:33.473+03:002009-06-17T14:49:33.473+03:00Mul, I just read your last post.
You need to lear...Mul, I just read your last post.<br /><br />You need to learn pshat in every day events.<br /><br />This is the video clip you are referring to:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IyiHRlLFkY<br /><br />You have a problem with this dream? I thought - in the big picture sense - we all share it.<br /><br />BTW, notice in the video that the "Rosh Hamemshalah" with the big white kippa on his head who goes to make a speach on Har Habayit is not even Moshe Feiglin himself.<br /><br />Your accusations are laid waste for what they are: sin'at chinam. <br /><br />When you personally interview Mr. Feiglin and he tells you what you accuse him of thinking and being, let us know.<br /><br />How you'll go about apologizing to him for what you write ba'rabim - well, good luck to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-3237463380225899142009-06-17T14:38:14.775+03:002009-06-17T14:38:14.775+03:00Besides, Feiglin does not sheppard sheep.
He goes...Besides, Feiglin does not sheppard sheep.<br /><br />He goes off-trail biking.<br /><br />That disqualifies him right there.<br /><br />:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-53043437531768827732009-06-17T14:36:02.525+03:002009-06-17T14:36:02.525+03:00Shy Guy
You missed my point
A person who believe...Shy Guy <br />You missed my point <br />A person who believes that claims that he will ber PM one day, and as PM will build the Mikdash, is claiming that he will be the Mashiach one day.<br />The mikdash background on its own means nothing but it brings context to 2+3.<br />He made a film a few years back showing a news broascast after his party "Yisrael Yehudit" picked up about 78 seats in the Knesset elcetions, and shows him the newly elected Prime Minister discussing the immediate construction of the Mikdash.Eli Dukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733438132131254422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-30997665912970324402009-06-17T14:04:28.846+03:002009-06-17T14:04:28.846+03:00Excuse the spelling and grammar errors above.Excuse the spelling and grammar errors above.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com