tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post8413734554697092250..comments2024-03-29T11:40:46.477+03:00Comments on Life in Israel: Pesach Night = Yom Ha'AtzmautRafi G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-86569489264690266242011-04-27T07:51:17.119+03:002011-04-27T07:51:17.119+03:00Take a look at the new book Thinking Aloud which i...Take a look at the new book Thinking Aloud which is conversations with HaGaon J. B. Soloveitchik. The Rav is very emphatic that it is wrong to say hallel on Yom Haatzmaut with a bracha. He personally feels that it shouldn't be said at all. However, in his classic humility he does not protest against those that do.<br />What would he say abould lel Pesach? I don't know. Being that the Gra said it, I assume he would concur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-50290914213649481542011-04-21T12:47:58.944+03:002011-04-21T12:47:58.944+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-8755287475085325852011-04-21T12:47:30.495+03:002011-04-21T12:47:30.495+03:00I find it interesting to note that Yom HaAtzma'...I find it interesting to note that Yom HaAtzma'uth is a stand-in for Pesah.<br /><br />What do most of us do on Yom HaAtzma'uth? We make <i>al haAish</i> (not so unlike BBQ July 4 in the U. S.).<br /><br />The lafah resembles the [soft] matzah which is folded, to allow the insertion of the broken matzah. The shuwarmah, lamb or goat, is like the meat from the <i>Qorban Pesah</i>. The greens are the <i>maror</i>, and the <i>z-hug</i> is the spicy stuff which people mistake for the <i>maror</i>,...but tastes good.<br /><br />The Rabbanut just has to tell people that even though we postpone various celebrations in order to prevent <i>Hillul Shabbath</i>, we should say <i>Hallel</i> on the day.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-16343482269323422072011-04-20T22:25:50.793+03:002011-04-20T22:25:50.793+03:00check your emailcheck your emailRafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-15051471747674051032011-04-20T21:55:35.813+03:002011-04-20T21:55:35.813+03:00We are indeed in Israel. Just got back from showi...We are indeed in Israel. Just got back from showing my wife hafirot drom har habayit. We're with her best friends' family in RBS A until the end of hag. I have a few students here that I hope to visit while I'm at it.Mordechai Y. Scherhttp://www.kolberamah.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-36362289641122689002011-04-20T12:59:56.586+03:002011-04-20T12:59:56.586+03:00Mordechai - are you in Eretz Yisroel for yomtov?Mordechai - are you in Eretz Yisroel for yomtov?Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-77388995369518978152011-04-20T12:59:33.854+03:002011-04-20T12:59:33.854+03:00There are a number of halachic reasons people oppo...There are a number of halachic reasons people oppose saying hallel on YH. I might not remember them all offhand, but we can discuss them in any ensuing conversation as people add them.<br /><br />The ones I remember right now are:<br />1. we cannot make up our own instance in saying hallel, but only those mandated by chazal. <br />Chazal did not say to say hallel Pesach night in shul in addition to the seder hallel. That was added later, and it was definitely added much later for most of ashkenaz Jewry. Just like it was added later, YH was added later and that opposition falls.<br /><br />2. One does not say hallel at the beginning of a process, even if there are miracles involved. YH was only the beginning of the process of the miracles of independence (and geula according to some), and therefore should not be said.<br />The rejection of that is that the night of Pesach was also only the beginning of the process of the redemption. if we can say hallel for that (an extra hallel), we can say it for YH as well.<br />Somebody might argue that Pesach was worthy on its own and should not be considered just the beginning of the process (as we say in dayeinu perhaps?), but that is a matter of perspective, and objectively they are both equally the beginning of the process or worthy on their own merits.<br /><br />Please list other points of opposition, or i will later as I remember more, and we can discuss those.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20257999.post-38919607715453982672011-04-20T12:43:37.988+03:002011-04-20T12:43:37.988+03:00Can explain your rationale?
Rav Goren, btw, did ...Can explain your rationale?<br /><br />Rav Goren, btw, did write an essay where he based the recital of Hallel on the *night* of Yom HaAtzmaut on the recital on the *night* of Pesah. I think it appears in Torat Hashabbat v'hamoed. Ironically, since I'm in Beit Shemesh for hag, I don't have those books at hand.<br /><br />Moadim L'simha!Mordechai Y. Scherhttp://www.kolberamah.orgnoreply@blogger.com