An interesting twist has been brought up in the discussion surrounding the shabbos protests in Jerusalem.
The Rav of Ramat Eshkol, Rav Weinfeld, has said that aside from the known issurim involved in burning garbage cans, such as bal tashchis and damaging property and health of people, there is another issur involved that has not previously been discussed.
Rav Weinfeld says that by burning garbage cans, one is transgressing the prohibition of cooking meat and milk together. Nowadays where people commonly dispose of food that is still edible, any given garbage can will definitely have edible meat and edible milk contained within. Lighting such a garbage can on fire means the perpetrator has just cooked milk and meat, thus transgressing the prohibition in the Torah.
Definitely an interesting, and unique, reason to not burn garbage cans!
(source: bhol)
It is a davar sheino miskaven and certainly not pesik reshei that there is meat and milk next to each other that will become cooked together before they are burned.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, it is pretty disgusting to think that this is what would get people to stop burning garbage cans while they are ignoring the more obvious issurim. It seems, that the author of the article is the one who mentioned the other issurim while R. Weinfeld only pointed out the basar bechalav issue.
Whenever, I drive through RBS B, I drive over rough areas in the road from when the street melted when they burned dumpsters a couple of years ago.
The Bhol article that I saw about this topic didn't post R Chatzkel's letter, and I don't like the idea of getting piskei halacha second-handed from a news service.
ReplyDeleteAccording to that it would be assur to wash bibs together.
R Chazkel Weinfeld as his father Zt"l before him, favors total separation of religion and state, and is opposed to protesting any secularist violation of halacha whatsoever.
MUL - interesting background on him. thanks.
ReplyDeleteMUL - if you don't like it, feel free to go burning garbage cans and not be concerned about bassar b'chalav.. :-)
ReplyDeleteobviously one should not later his halachic behaviors based on a psak read in a newspaper article. But often that is all we have to comment on and discuss, as the actual letters are not publicized, or it got to the news by word of mouth from someone who heard it - so it is good for an interesting, halachic, discussion, but perhaps no more than that until more details and accuracy is verified.
This is not "derech bishul" - period!
ReplyDelete"Vekol zeh einenu shoveh li" (Esther 5:13 and see Sefer Hachinuch, Mitzvah 92)
So shall we prohibit garbage incineration now, too?
Dor Yetomim.
you have to know your audience and their levers.
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Joel Rich
Shy - at least garbage incineration should be performed by goyim, (on shabbos?)
ReplyDeleteyou have to know your audience and their levers.
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Joel Rich
July 06, 2009 12:34 PM
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But these garbage bins don't have levers. :)
Please, if you do not know first hand that he has given such a psak, please write "according to an article posted on bhol". I personally doubt he did give such as psak. Knowing him for about 15 years, it sounds like a humorous comment that he would make. Being that the article couldn't give his name or postion accurately, I would not think that it is the best source of info.He has much more serious issues with the demonstrations. When I learned in his Yeshiva, he told the bachurim not to participate in the Bar Ilan shabbos hafganot as a matter of principle.
ReplyDeletethis was agreat post.
ReplyDeletethanx fro the laffs.
According to that it would be assur to wash bibs together.
ReplyDeleteNo that's done with soap....
ReplyDeleteNo that's done with soap....
July 06, 2009 9:55 PM
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It's simple:
Place milchig and fleishig bibs in your Maytag, add detergent, put on hot wash and the Ribbono Shel Olam is going to give you such a pinch!
Plus you'll have treifed up your washing machine.
Is it worth it, ladies?
Shy - the idea of using the soap in the wash is that it is "pogem" the taam and therefore is no longer an issue of cooking together. So even if you run the wash with hot water, it would be ok!
ReplyDeleteI'm sure that the dirty diapers, etc. found in the garbage bins are also "pogem" the bossor & cholov when burning together :)
ReplyDeletethat is where you are wrong - there are no dirty diapers in these garbage cans to be pogem the edible remainders of foods - all the dirty diapers have already been removed and been thrown at policemen!
ReplyDeleteThat's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. To even make this point, shows that you are one of the many delusional fanatics that has no sense whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that "burning" and "cooking" are two separate things is way beside the point, but nevertheless needs to be pointed out.
More importantly, the "goyim" are better than you because you are a separatist, elitist pig ... so you should be cooked and eaten for bacon, hopefully by your fellow ortho fools.