They are hurting their own people, their own wives and children, when they burn garbage cans. Who is harmed by this? The neighborhood residents. It is clear these words are not listened to by the individuals themselves, who are literally just troublemakers.
[Rav Weiss, head of the Eida] came in the recent years from abroad. He is actually moderate. I had the merit to be able to host him in my house. There were previous Gaavads as well, like the Minchas Yitzchak and others, who were gedolei torah and holy people, that were not always lsitened to by these young people who cause all the problems, and there are just a few.
Talks bring results, better results than any hafganah ever will. The largest municipal party in Jerusalem, UTJ, is in the municipal coalition. Why go out to the streets when you can get better results by sitting around a table?
---- Rav Yisrael Meier Lau, Chief Rabbi of Tel Aviv
is rav weiss really a moderate? why doesn't he go out to the street and stop these fights if he is against them?
ReplyDeleteI don't think so, but I guess "moderate" is relative. maybe he is "moderate" compared to other Eidah people...
ReplyDeleteis it true that the good rabbi isn't an israeli citizen?
ReplyDeletedont know if it is true or not. I do remember hearing it when he first took the job of gaavad of the Eidah. He came from Antwerp to take over the Eidah. He very well might not be a citizen.
ReplyDeleteif he isn't a citizen then the state should do a mubarak awad on him and kick him and any other non-citizen who sits on the board of the eidah out of here.
ReplyDeleteinteresting suggestion. Many in the Eidah are not citizens. Maybe Israel can deport anybody involved in violent protest or seen to be supporting such forms of protest.
ReplyDeleteA short while ago when the protests forst started, Israel announced that foreign students arrested as part of the protests would be deported. I have not heard of any such deportation actually happening, but maybe it could be done.
Imagine the riots if anyone from the Eidah got deported. Just because they wouldn't be in the country does not mean that they can't communicate with anyone in the country.
ReplyDeletesounds like lau is recommending to never protest, as it is always useless.
ReplyDeleteazmi bashara and mubarak awad ran away/kicked out and where are they today?
ReplyDeleteis this fool proof? of course not. the shah expelled ayatollah khomeni and he sent back videos. however keeping them here is not doing any good and if they are directing the riots, then there is absolutely reason that they should be allowed to stay.
the reason why the riots continue is because the police/state use such light force on these guys. they mainly try to limit the damage, not crush the riots. greater use of force - rubber bullets, gas, smoke bombs, trudgeons, the same stuff i used on arabs - would go a long way. distrubting the leadership would also help.
Ben, that's an interesting analogy you used there ("Shah expelled Khomeini") :-)
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if violence against the Charedi rioters is "the answer". Sure it makes us feel better because we are "doing something", but it doesn't appear to be very effective and it appears to exacerbate the situation (i.e. the rioters also become more violent). At least that the logic [almost] everyone uses with the Arabs.
I think, perhaps, a better solution would be to hit them immediately in the pocketbook. Everyone likes to "eat", and the Charedim very much depend on government money to run their yeshivot. An immediate administrative halt of funds to their institutions might very quickly get the leadership to stop the riots. And nobody should doubt that they (their Rabbis) have such power because they do, they could stop the riots with a single word to their loyalists.
Mark
Mark - the groups protesting and rioting dont generally take funds from the government. And it seems unfair to take funds from other haredi groups just because these guys rioted.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe that all the rioters come from communities that don't associate with Israel or its funding. Even so, the other Charedim that tacitly support the rioting would very quickly condemn it vociferously (and maybe even beat up some of the hooligans at the center of the rioting - I bet the average Charedi hates them more than we do but is afraid to do anything about them).
ReplyDeleteDeportations of chutznik yeshiva students caught rioting should also take place, which is another form of economic "warfare", because the yeshivot are often profitable businesses.
Mark
There seems to be a cycle of: they protest, so the police come and beat them up. I'm sure that with a little creativity the people could be headed off before it becomes a fully formed protest.
ReplyDeleteThere are numerous tools for dispersing hostile crowds which do not involve physical harm like rubber bullets do. I've seen vids of giant stink bombs and a machine that makes an ear-splitting shriek etc. Let's see a little ingenuity here! (Our police are starting to look like keystone cops every week).