Apr 30, 2014

baked after Pesach, sold before Pesach

before Pesach I posted about a package of bread crumbs that had been purchased with the label already stating it was baked after pesach 2014. Some people considered that perhaps, instead of deception or a mistaken label, perhaps the label was just being read wrong. They suggested the "baked after" was referring to last Pesach (2013), and the date was the date of expiry of the product.

Did not seem realistic to me, but ok. maybe.

here is an image that just came in to me of a different product with a similar problem. but the labeling on this is much clearer.

you be the judge:


from the sticker on the top right corner it is clear they are claiming it was baked after Pesach 2014. From the sticker on the top left corner one can see that they were selling these on erev pesach at a special price..

once again, a product baked after Pesach that was miraculously being sold before Pesach...

And, another comment, it clearly is not just an Israeli issue. These "chocolate bites" are an American product being sold in the USA...
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21 comments:

  1. dlzApril 30, 2014 1:02 PM

    Neither sticker has any hechsher on it - how can you rely on an anonymous testimony?

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    1. Rafi G.April 30, 2014 10:31 PM

      I dont know. I wonder about that every year pesach time when many products, especially dairy such as yoghurts and cheeses but also others, have the regular hechsher on it and then have a stamp printed somewhere on the plastic container stating the pesach details but doesnt usually have the name or logo of a hechsher next to it. When I buy a mehadrin hechsher salami, lets say rabbi rubin hechsher, and it has all the regular hehshers on it but also a stamp saying kosher for pesach no kitniyot. is that the manufacturer, the rabbanut or rabbi rubin telling me it is so? I dont know.

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    2. MilhouseMay 01, 2014 6:03 AM

      If the stamp doesn't say "rabbanut" or "rabbi rubin", then it's the manufacturer saying it, or even the retailer, and it's up to you whether to believe them. If it were the machshir saying it, their name would be on the sticker.

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  2. AnonymousApril 30, 2014 1:13 PM

    They are announcing the sale a year early.

    /tongue_in_cheek

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  3. jackApril 30, 2014 2:12 PM

    When was the picture taken? If after pesach then it could be that they were baked after pesach and the emphasis of the other sticker is on the special price, not the time of the sale

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    1. Rafi G.April 30, 2014 10:26 PM

      dont know. emphasis on one or the other, they wouldnt have put a special sticker for a sale on rosh chodesh iyyar saying erev pesach

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    2. MilhouseMay 01, 2014 6:11 AM

      Come on, do you seriously believe there is any chance this box was sold on Erev Pesach? At what time?

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  4. JoshApril 30, 2014 3:04 PM

    Why does baked after Pesach make it good or more mehadrin?

    Baked after Pesach merely covers up for the ignorant people playing machmir about chametz during Pesach, that the cookie dough was prepared before Pesach and kept in a freezer. This is very common practice all year round.

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    1. Rafi G.April 30, 2014 10:28 PM

      who said it makes it more or less mehadrin?
      by the way, the Badatz eida says they do not promote this "chumra" and are even against it, because it goes against the mechiras chametz.
      I heard rav shlezinger on the radio a few days ago also talkign against it, though he said individuals could be makpid on it, there is no room for it becoming a public chumra

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  5. xyzApril 30, 2014 7:01 PM

    Who put the sticker on the product, the company or the store?

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    1. MilhouseMay 01, 2014 6:16 AM

      Isn't it completely obvious that the "baked after pesach" sticker was attached by the manufacturer, and the "special" sticker by the retailer? How else could it be?

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    2. xyzMay 01, 2014 1:27 PM

      It's not completely obvious to me. In fact, it seems quite coincidental that the stickers are the same size and shape and only differ in color, which would seem to me to indicate that they were put there by the same institution, and the way I see it, the retailer would be the most likely candidate to have put the "baked after" sticker as well.

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    3. Rafi G.May 01, 2014 2:55 PM

      doesnt really matter. even if the manufacturer put the stickers on (which I think is obvious - who else would promote a sale?), it is the kashrut organizations job to make sure all kashrut related issues are dealt with properly. the company shouldnt be pulling a fast one over the chaf-k.

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    4. dlzMay 01, 2014 3:18 PM

      How can the kashrus organization prevent stickers being put on the package in the store?

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    5. Rafi G.May 01, 2014 3:33 PM

      they can prevent it by enforcement. if the (kashrut-related, not sale-related) sticker was placed without their knowledge and consent, they should be punishing the manufacturer/distributor/store. Chaf-K, in this case, is responsible for the kashrut of the item. if the product is making claims regarding kashrut external from the chaf-k, they shoould punish the company.
      they have systems and methods in place to prevent these things from happening. it needs to be enforced..

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    6. xyzMay 01, 2014 4:54 PM

      That's why it seems clear to me that it was the retailer, not the manufacturer. The retailer is beholden to no one.

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  6. MiriamSApril 30, 2014 9:54 PM

    I once heard that all this business about wanting flour from "after Pesach" means that distributors will put their pre-Pesach stock into storage for a couple of months and only put it on the market after everyone stops looking for those stickers. When someone was telling me this they said this introduced a real concern of a greater likelihood of infestation - though I'm not sure how relevant that is, when the sell-by date is still good.

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  7. ShmuelApril 30, 2014 11:26 PM

    before Pesach the contents of the box was sold not-baked, a fact that explains the bargain price - 2 for $5.00! - it was only after Pesach that it was removed from the box, hastily baked and re-shelved.. (you can clearly note that the stuff in the box is baked... )

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  8. dsdsMay 01, 2014 4:39 AM

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  9. jackMay 01, 2014 7:52 PM

    not so tough if you really care.... just call the company with the production code and find out when the stuff was baked. i

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  10. BatyaMay 07, 2014 9:07 PM

    Your post has been included in  אֱמֹר Emor, Speak! The Havel Havelim-Kosher Cooking Carnival Combo. Please read it and the other posts, comment and share, thanks.

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