Apr 2, 2019

Interesting Psak: do hatarat nedarim and don't listen to your rosh yeshiva

According to Behadrei, Rav Dovid Yosef, member of the Council of Sages of Shas and rav of Har Nof neighborhood of Jerusalem, paskened in his shiur that when people go to vote next week they should offer a prayer that Hashem should remove the evil from here and that they will do whatever possible to change the situation in Israel - all the bad and all the discrimination against anything connected to holiness.

The more interesting part of the psak is when he said next - the halacha requires us to vote Shas, as we are obligated to do so in order to protect our traditions, and as we daven with the nusach of the Sefardim we are obligated to vote for the nusach of the sefardim and not for the nusach sefardi of the Ashkenazim. And, any Sefardi who wants to vote for UTJ must perform an annulment of vows, hatarat nedarim - and Rav Yosef recommends that any rav approached to annul such a vow should refuse to do so. Any Sefardi bochur learning in an Ashkenazi yeshiva who feels he should vote UTJ because the rosh yeshiva said to and because of gratitude - there is no issue of voting out of gratitude regarding this and one does not need to listen to the rabbonim of the yeshiva..

It seems like a slippery slope to tell boys they dont need to listen to their rosh yeshiva or other rabbonim...




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12 comments:

  1. dlzApril 02, 2019 4:36 PM

    Hataras nedarim? Sounds weird to me.

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  2. AnonymousApril 02, 2019 4:54 PM

    If that's at all accurate, Yosef is completely immoral and has abused Torah to his own ends. He should not be allowed near children.

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    1. JoshApril 03, 2019 12:01 PM

      Avi, with your hatred towards Hareidim and people who are differnet from you, perhaps you should not be allowed anywhere near a keyboard.

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    2. AnonymousApril 04, 2019 10:25 AM

      I hate immoral people. I don't care what religion they follow.

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  3. RAMApril 02, 2019 6:06 PM

    Isn't the whole idea of free elections that the voter makes the choice?

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  4. yaakApril 02, 2019 6:10 PM

    Well, there is a concept of someone doing a hanhaga tova 3 or more times who wants to permanently change that hanhaga needing to do hatarat nedarim. Perhaps, Rav Yosef considers voting for Shas 3 times a hanhaga tova that requires hatarat nedarim if he wants to change it to vote for a different party. This sounds like the rationale. No need for the commenters here to disparage Rav David Yosef Shlit"a, a great Talmid Hacham, Posek, Dayan, and Mehaber Sefarim.

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    1. AnonymousApril 02, 2019 7:01 PM

      And Acher was a Tanna. When you're wrong, you're wrong. It doesn't matter what you else you did.

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    2. yaakApril 02, 2019 7:14 PM

      But are you so blind that you cannot see the reasoning behind his psak? Why must you arrogantly determine that you know that he is wrong? If you have halachic sources to back you up, please bring them. Otherwise, your criticism is either politically motivated or worse.

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    3. Rafi G.April 02, 2019 9:09 PM

      Yaak - that was the svara I thought of as well. It seems obvious that is what it is based on. The only thing I can ask on that is that it would only apply to longtime Shas voters. Not anybody who hasnt voted Shas in the last 3 elections. Many people have turned 18 since 2013 and would not have already voted Shas 3 times.
      Also, it makes me wonder if when Shas was first founded did all the sefardim voting Shas then do hataras nedarim from whatever party (largely UTJ but not just) they had previously regularly voted for?

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    4. Michael SedleyApril 02, 2019 9:21 PM

      I haven't read the psak, and it seems very strange to me, but I didn't understand it to apply only to people who have voted 3 times for Shas, otherwise it would not include anyone under the age of 26.

      I think he is saying that the Minhag of the Sfardim is according to Rav Ovadia, who rules one should vote Shas, it is like a machloket Shalchan Aruch - Rama. If a Sfardi wants to follow an Ashkenazi Posek over Rav Ovadia (or any other Sfardi Posek), he must do Hatarat Nedarim, and that would include voting according to the Ashkenazi Poskim.

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    5. AnonymousApril 03, 2019 9:17 AM

      I'm not so blind, or naive, to think that Yosef isn't 100% biased when he comes up with a contorted reason that anyone has to vote for Shas.

      ... and Rav Yosef recommends that any rav approached to annul such a vow should refuse to do so.

      That is not a matter of Halachic requirements, but an attempt at religious coercion.

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  5. yaakApril 02, 2019 9:28 PM

    אה"נ - it would likely only apply to longtime Shas voters (but you might also include municipal elections in the 3 times). Unless there was an actual neder made, in which case it would apply regardless.
    Re: whether those who voted shas in the 80s needed to do hatarat nedarim, perhaps one can get a clue from this video where Rav Ovadia ZT"L and יבלחטו"א the other Moetzet rabbanim did hatarat kelalot for those who may have been cursed into voting for another party:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycoNB2IxzfQ


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