Meaning, we have seen the rise of extreme right wing parties around the world. they call for heightened nationalism and the like, and usually are , or at least they often are or often are accused of being, anti-foreigners, and especially antisemitic. When extreme Right parties gain power or increase their influence in other countries, Jewish groups around the world, including among the religious, work their magic and use their influence to curtail them as much as possible because extreme right parties are generally racist and bad, even though what they want is what they think is best for their respective countries, even if it is bad for others including Jews, from a nationalist perspective.
To me it seems the rise of Itamar Ben Gvir is pretty similar to that. It is the rise of a more extreme right wing party that is focusing on nationalism. Whether it is a racist party in nature I will let each person decide for himself or herself. I am sure most of us will say it is different, they just want Jewish power and Jewish control in our homeland, but when taking a step back it really looks, to me, like a pretty similar rise to power of an extreme right wing group that almost all of us would be concerned about if it were happening in another country. We would be screaming about the rise of fascism if this were happening in any other country with a sizeable Jewish population.
Am I wrong?
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ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JOpPNra4bw
ReplyDeleteIf the centre-right isn't going to respond to people's fears about the integrity of the nation and its security, the masses will turn to the fascist right.
ReplyDelete100% correct sadly. And the even sadder thing is most people I speak to here (in Israel) whether at work, the park, or shul are fine with that. For all too many non-jews have been fully dehumanized especially if they're Palestinian, Muslim, Arab, or anti-Zionist...
ReplyDelete"because extreme right parties are generally racist and bad"
ReplyDeleteTwo meaningless words. Please try harder.
"even if it is bad for others including Jews"
Because mass Muslim immigration has been good for Jews?
Nearly all of those who feign to claim they oppose Ben Gvir could care a little about him and his noise one way or another
ReplyDeleteas if...another Smokescreen.
It's Smotrich who they really hate and dread. And what he is potentially representative of.
That would give away their long game however!
What they [ostensibly dati including] are afraid of, as is to be expected, is a dynamic Jewish oriented State and magnificent potential it will probably have
I have no idea what you are talking about.
DeleteI am proudly Dati-Leumi and Bin Gvir makes me physically sick and embarrassed to be Israeli. I have felt that way about him since he first appeared on the public scene.
I believe that Smotritch represents the extreme right wing of Religious Zionism. While he was a minority faction within the Bayit Yehudi party, I could stomach his presence, even though I disagreed with him, however as soon as Smotritch partnered with Bin Gvir (and the even more odious Noam Party), he became completely unacceptable, as did Bibi who engineered the partnership and brought this terror supporter into the Israeli mainstream.
Meir Kahana had a frightening hateful ideology, and was correctly shunned by the Israeli media and Knesset - the Media refused to interview him or report anything that he said, and when he got up to speak in the Knesset, all other MKs left the room, so he would address an empty hall consisting of only the stenographer.
Bin Gvir is more extreme than his mentor, and should be treated in exactly the same manner. He does not belong in any coalition.
I sincerely hope and pray that the moderate mainstream Religious Zionist movement will manage to find its voice and new leadership, and loudly condemn these violent extremists.
For anyone who cares about the future of religious Zionism, please vote for Bayit Hayehudi (headed by Alyelet Shaked), this is the only party which still represents old Mafdal values, and even if they do not break the threshold we need to show that moderate, sane Religious Zionism is not dead.
Yeah, there's a lot of hate here.
DeleteThe problem with the Dati Leumi commuity is that, unlike the Chareidim, it doesn't put itself first and only. The Chareidim have a simple agenda - what's good for them and if you want to be a good Chareidi, you vote for one of their parties. They don't care about greater Israeli society. They have no ideas about foreign policy, the environment or the economy. Dati Leumi cares about the entire country and society so there's no traction for a party that just promotes the community when the community promotes everyone.
DeleteShort Answer to what you asked:For sure,yes
ReplyDeleteMichael Smedley,
ReplyDeleteThank you for proving myself on target once more
you can't stomaNoam howeverch. How is it?
Ahh..full sanctioned on a national level Judaism
Mainstream religious zionism would talk incessantly [to give themselves raison d'etre] the convenient talk ,they would walk the walk?
Ben Gvir might be distasteful but his likes come and go, on and off. With a kippa or in the past some without(would less disturbing, eh?)
Typo
Deletestomach Noam. How would that be?
Wise and true comments by Cohen, Y. Yasher Koach!
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