Aug 15, 2019
Blog-Vacation, sort of
Apologies for the erratic postings. The blog is officially on summer vacation. I don't want to keep posting about the same stuff over and over again, and almsot all the interesting news happening involves either Ron Kubi or the elections (or both together).
So, I will be posting, but not on my regular schedule. Whenever I feel like it, which I guess is how I always base my posting schedule but now it will be more sporadic.
So, I will be posting, but not on my regular schedule. Whenever I feel like it, which I guess is how I always base my posting schedule but now it will be more sporadic.
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Picture of the Day
After the court reversed the earlier decision and allowed the Afula concert to proceed as planned (which was later overturned by the Supreme Court, though not in time to stop the concert)... as Yair Sherki wrote posting this picture, when the uproar over gender-segregation meets real life...
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Barstool Pizza Review - MEZZE Kosher Pizza (Forest Hills,NY) Bonus Sushi Review (video)
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Secular Israelis: Get religious people on both sides to solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict (video)
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Who is coming to the Sea? (video)
another great Netanyahu production...
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R’ Yossi Green - New Song, "Tu B'Av" in honor of Tu B'av Together (video)
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Yishai Ribo with Amir Benayoun and Amir Dadon: Nitzachta Iti HaKol (video)
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Aug 14, 2019
do Haredim really demand and need gender-segregation?
The sight is very familiar. Summer vacation. Bein Hazmanim. Everyone is touring around the country at the same time, mostly up north where it is slightly cooler and the trails are peppered with rivers to hike through and/or cool off in, along with other water experiences such as river rafting, the Kineret, and many other activities. it is a fun time of year, but the attractions are all crowded with people - the entire rainbow of the Israeli public.
Here is a picture from the entrance to the Abu Kayak rafting site along the Jordan River from earlier today. It was posted to Facebook commenting on the need for appropriate entertainment opportunities for the Haredi community and that the Haredi community deserves to be serviced equally as everyone else is. The suggestion being that the current situation is inadequate with just several days over the summer designated at such sites for the religious public. Being a day designated for the religious public basically means people are requested to come fully dressed and not scamper around shirtless or in bikinis. As you can see in the picture, it does not mean the morning is hours for men only and the afternoon hours are for women, or Mondays for men and Tuesdays for women.
Now, something here makes no sense to me.
A concert in the park must be 100% separate. Even a compromise (recommended by the judge but rejected by all parties involved including the Haredi parties) to have a mens section, a womens section, and a family section is not good enough, but the Haredi community demands the event to be completely 100% separate seating.
Yet, a water park, rafting on a river, where people are swimming int he water and splashing and getting wet and soaking their clothes, that is perfectly fine to be mixed, family style.
That makes no sense.
I'll tell you what the difference is, as I see it.
The difference is that one event, the water park, is populated by people who want to go have fun. By their own initiative. Most people in the Haredi community, not everyone of course, want to have fun and do thigns with their family. They go out to concerts and sit mixed seating with their families. they go to the parks all over the country and are fine with the crowds being mixed. They go to hikes on trails, they go bowling, they hike through the river, all with mixed crowds. At the annual Sukkos concert in Bet Shemesh with no official separation (there is a sectioned off area for separate dancing), hundreds of Haredim show up to enjoy. No separation necessary. Most Haredim want separation at weddings and in shul, and that is mostly it.
The other event, the concert in Afula, is arranged by askanim. Askanim like to tell people what to do. According to the askanim, the Haredim need 100% separation. Nobody is even willing to speak up and say "I am perfectly fine with family style seating", probably because they are worried about the askanim getting them thrown out of shul and their kids thrown out of school. People are only rarely willing to oppose askanim publicly.
I think it is a shame that the community cannot have events catered to their needs and desires. I understand the legal claim against it, but I do not understand the limit of the opposition. Yet, with everyone upset that this womens lobby that appealed against it, and the judge that ruled against, claiming that they are patronising and telling the Haredim how to live their lives - I just want to say that most Haredim are perfectly fine with mixed, family-style, events, and had this concert been planned this way to start (not including Motti Steinmetz who personally would not sing at such a concert but other performers would and do), nobody would have said boo except a few askanim. As much as the womens lobby and the judge wants to tell people how to live their lives, the haredi askanim are equally as guilty of this.
Here is a picture from the entrance to the Abu Kayak rafting site along the Jordan River from earlier today. It was posted to Facebook commenting on the need for appropriate entertainment opportunities for the Haredi community and that the Haredi community deserves to be serviced equally as everyone else is. The suggestion being that the current situation is inadequate with just several days over the summer designated at such sites for the religious public. Being a day designated for the religious public basically means people are requested to come fully dressed and not scamper around shirtless or in bikinis. As you can see in the picture, it does not mean the morning is hours for men only and the afternoon hours are for women, or Mondays for men and Tuesdays for women.
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Now, something here makes no sense to me.
A concert in the park must be 100% separate. Even a compromise (recommended by the judge but rejected by all parties involved including the Haredi parties) to have a mens section, a womens section, and a family section is not good enough, but the Haredi community demands the event to be completely 100% separate seating.
Yet, a water park, rafting on a river, where people are swimming int he water and splashing and getting wet and soaking their clothes, that is perfectly fine to be mixed, family style.
That makes no sense.
I'll tell you what the difference is, as I see it.
The difference is that one event, the water park, is populated by people who want to go have fun. By their own initiative. Most people in the Haredi community, not everyone of course, want to have fun and do thigns with their family. They go out to concerts and sit mixed seating with their families. they go to the parks all over the country and are fine with the crowds being mixed. They go to hikes on trails, they go bowling, they hike through the river, all with mixed crowds. At the annual Sukkos concert in Bet Shemesh with no official separation (there is a sectioned off area for separate dancing), hundreds of Haredim show up to enjoy. No separation necessary. Most Haredim want separation at weddings and in shul, and that is mostly it.
The other event, the concert in Afula, is arranged by askanim. Askanim like to tell people what to do. According to the askanim, the Haredim need 100% separation. Nobody is even willing to speak up and say "I am perfectly fine with family style seating", probably because they are worried about the askanim getting them thrown out of shul and their kids thrown out of school. People are only rarely willing to oppose askanim publicly.
I think it is a shame that the community cannot have events catered to their needs and desires. I understand the legal claim against it, but I do not understand the limit of the opposition. Yet, with everyone upset that this womens lobby that appealed against it, and the judge that ruled against, claiming that they are patronising and telling the Haredim how to live their lives - I just want to say that most Haredim are perfectly fine with mixed, family-style, events, and had this concert been planned this way to start (not including Motti Steinmetz who personally would not sing at such a concert but other performers would and do), nobody would have said boo except a few askanim. As much as the womens lobby and the judge wants to tell people how to live their lives, the haredi askanim are equally as guilty of this.
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| From Dov Lipman's FB page |
170 new families, about 550 people, from the United States are making aliya to Bet Shemesh this summer.. many of them on the Nefesh BNefesh flight that landed this morning..
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Foreign Soldiers Try Hummus for the First Time (video)
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Synagogues of Scotland (video)
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Tzemed Yeled: cover, Mishehu Iti Kahn (video)
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Aug 13, 2019
Ayelet Shaked in the stronghold of the Likud (video)
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running a country is not a job for presenters (video)
classic Netanyahu election video. nobody is as good as him at this..
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THE LENNY SOLOMON SHOW WEBISODE 3 PARODY WRITING! (video)
In this Episode, Lenny takes you inside the head of parody writing. What are you aiming to do? Plus in Stories from the Road, he shares far-out places that he spent Shabbat! please like, share, subscribe, and tell all your friends!
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Synagogues of Russia (video)
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