Mar 13, 2008
Satmar Rebbe outdoes Rav Segal
Looks like I made a mistake... In my previous post I said that Rav Don Segal has gone beyond even the Satmar Rebbe.
From this article today printed in the new Haredi newspaper "Yom Chadash", it seems the Satmar Rebbe did not want to be outdone.
The Rebbe, who previously said, "the shooting is like the burning of the Beth Hamikdosh, he continued to say "although its a modern yeshiva [most likely he meant a pro Zionist philosophy] its a very sad era for klal yisreol, that in middle of torah learning an evil 'Rotzech' can walk in, and spray shoot torah learning Bochrim", has now amended his statement.
He said, "This attack happened not in a place of danger, but in the middle of the city (Yerushalayim). It could have happened anywhere, in any yeshiva, but it happened specifically in a Yeshiva associated with the "Mizrachi" stream.
We cry for the murdered and for the pain of the families, but we also have to relate to the pain of the Divine Presence. Causing someone to sin is worse than killing him - the people of Mizrachi are the greatest "Causers of sinning" in this generation. They were a bridge between Haredi and secular, and killed tens of thousands of souls. We need to ask Hashem to stop the murders of the body, but also the murders of the soul."
There you go. He came out on top and outdid Rav Segal.
From this article today printed in the new Haredi newspaper "Yom Chadash", it seems the Satmar Rebbe did not want to be outdone.
The Rebbe, who previously said, "the shooting is like the burning of the Beth Hamikdosh, he continued to say "although its a modern yeshiva [most likely he meant a pro Zionist philosophy] its a very sad era for klal yisreol, that in middle of torah learning an evil 'Rotzech' can walk in, and spray shoot torah learning Bochrim", has now amended his statement.
He said, "This attack happened not in a place of danger, but in the middle of the city (Yerushalayim). It could have happened anywhere, in any yeshiva, but it happened specifically in a Yeshiva associated with the "Mizrachi" stream.
We cry for the murdered and for the pain of the families, but we also have to relate to the pain of the Divine Presence. Causing someone to sin is worse than killing him - the people of Mizrachi are the greatest "Causers of sinning" in this generation. They were a bridge between Haredi and secular, and killed tens of thousands of souls. We need to ask Hashem to stop the murders of the body, but also the murders of the soul."
There you go. He came out on top and outdid Rav Segal.
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Ad d'lo yada bein arrur [insert name of an enemy here] l'baruch [insert name of a fellow Jew here]!
ReplyDeleteactually yoni - acc to the Satmar rebbe and his kind: it is
ReplyDelete"Ad d'lo yada bein arrur [insert name of non-chareidi/agudah here] l'baruch [insert name of a fellow chareidi/agudahnik here]!
Ouch.
ReplyDeleteI hope the Rebbe said this for internal political reasons, i.e to prevent his flock from switching allegiances to his brother, rather than because he genuinely holds the Mizrachi to be worse than (l'havdil elef alfei havdalos) the "Palestinians".
I pasken that Segal and Teitelbaum are jerks.
ReplyDelete-The Real Mara Dasra
I'm guessing this is the other Satmar Rebbe.
ReplyDeleteAs opposed to the one who made this comment:
"the shooting is like the burning of the Beth Hamikdosh, he continued to say "although its a modern yeshiva [most likely he meant a pro Zionist philosophy] its a very sad era for klal yisreol, that in middle of torah learning an evil 'Rotzech' can walk in, and spray shoot torah learning Bochrim" Rabbi, Rabbi Aaron Titelbaum of Kiryas Joel said
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/vin/~3/248896238/monsey-ny-satmar-rabbi-yeshiva-massacre.html
both items were said by Rav Aharon Teitelbaum...same Rebbe said both...
ReplyDeleteThe chillul HaShem is that no one has gotten R. Teitelbaum a proper hat that isn't so tight it cuts off his thinking and makes him say things like this. Maybe he needs something a little less insulating and cooler as well because the head being where so much body heat exits, he might be holding too much in and frying his neurons.
ReplyDeleteNothing but tragedies all the way around...
I hope the Rebbe said this for internal political reasons...rather than because he genuinely holds the Mizrachi to be worse
ReplyDeleteFrom what I've read of the dynasty's politics and ideology, I wouldn't be surprised if it was both. The brothers can't stand each other and Aharon desperately wants to undercut Zalman. But given the longstanding Teitelbaum issues with Zionism, to say nothing of "Jews that aren't Satmar"- I can easily imagine him believing it, too.
(Haaretz had some interesting analysis, too.)