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Aug 15, 2013
Chief Rabbis anointed, sing Hatikvah (video)
The new Chief Rabbis of Israel, Rav Yitzchak Yosef and Rav Dovid Lau, were anointed yesterday in a celebratory ceremony...
Notice that Rav Lau is standing next to Justice Minister Tzippi Livni, and Rav Yosef is only a couple people away as well, who is also singing - he did not leave and did not ask her to not sing.. There are also plenty of other black hats, along with other women, in the audience.
For all those with trouble in the army - we have an expression "no need to be frummer than the pope". To paraphrase that, no need to be frummer than the Chief Rabbis...
Notice that Rav Lau is standing next to Justice Minister Tzippi Livni, and Rav Yosef is only a couple people away as well, who is also singing - he did not leave and did not ask her to not sing.. There are also plenty of other black hats, along with other women, in the audience.
For all those with trouble in the army - we have an expression "no need to be frummer than the pope". To paraphrase that, no need to be frummer than the Chief Rabbis...
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Except that the Chief Rabbi is not the head of the religion, like the Pope is. No one is bound by his psak.
ReplyDeleteIt sounds like the compromising of principles has already started.
ReplyDeleteKol HaKavod for Tzippy for dressing tznius. Her hair wasn't covered, but that's not any different than some neighborhoods which will remain nameles...
ReplyDeleteRafi, I'm not sure your Kal VaHomer stands. If they would have walked out, there would have been a major to do about it and would have embarrassed everyone, whereas a few guys in the army may not be such a big deal.
ReplyDeletea "few guys in the army maybe not be a big deal"? have you seen the news over the last year? every time it happens, whether with one soldier or with 200 it is made into a big story..
ReplyDeleteThat's because the anything-to-make-the-religious-look-bad media makes it into a big story, but at face value, it shouldn't be.
DeleteI agree it shouldnt be (especially when it a small number), but it is
DeleteWrong word. "anointed" means that oil was rubbed on their heads (a la melachim in Tanach). No oil here. You meant "inaugurated" or "installed". Thanks.
DeleteThat's because the anything-to-make-the-religious-look-bad media makes it into a big story, but at face value, it shouldn't be.
DeletePartly the "anything-to-make-the-religious-look-bad" secular media, and partly the "any-excuse-to-avoid-serving-in-the-army" haredi media.
Baruch,
DeleteThe haredi media does not speak in one voice against serving in the army. For example, Kikar just showed a video of the Rishon Letzion Rav Yitzhak Yosef saying that anyone who doesn't learn should serve.
However, you'd be hard-pressed to find much positive about Haredim in the secular media.
And the truth is that these issues are ones that need to be dealt with if they expect people to go along with the new rules.
Rafi, A woman isn't up on the stage performing as was done in the army.
ReplyDeleteAlso, maybe a Rav Rashi who is holy can be mitgaber al yitsro when listening to a women singing but a 19 year old in the army feels he can't and would prefer to not be there and bring himself to a nisayon
maybe
DeleteI can't see how you are even comparing this. A man was singing and there happened to be a lady standing nearby who was singing along. This wasn't a performance by a woman.
ReplyDeleteYou are allowed to listen to 'shirat nashim' if it is not one voice. Perhaps we should refrain from listening to a women's choir, but one women singing with other men is quite a minor issue.
ReplyDeleteI think your point is very relevant, just in a different way. Everyone in that room including Tizppy Livni know that they object to listening to a woman singing for religious reasons. You have illustrated how at the inauguration of the Chief Rabbis some could show such a blatant lack of respect for the religious convictions of these two distinguished Rabbis.
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