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Jul 11, 2016
Rabbanut reveals extreme kashrut violations
The Rabbanut has released a few recent incidents to show how important it is to make sure to eat and buy food only in places that have current certificates of kashrut.
I agree with that sentiment. It is my biggest problem with an organization like "Hashgacha Pratit" that largely (not entirely) relies on the trustworthiness of the proprietor of the establishment with some basic training. And especially with restaurants with no supervision at all except for perhaps a picture of a rabbi on the wall and the fellow behind the counter who assures you that it is all kosher. A lot of times, even without an actual attempt to deceive you, they just don't know and it would be an innocent mistake that you become the victim of.
3 stories:
1. the Rabbanut sent an inspector into an Asian restaurant with no teuda but stating that it is kosher. The fellow showed him an expired teuda from a vegetable supplier saying that this is where he buys stuff from. And that he only buys from kosher suppliers. I guess that teuda was an example of a kosher supplier he buys from.
Obviously that is no indication of kashrus for this restaurant. Maybe he also buys elsewhere?
The inspector relates that he spotted a container on the side that he decided to take a look at. It was a bottle of curry spice. Looking at the ingredients of this spice, the inspector discovered that it contains shrimp.
the proprietor admitted using the spice, not realizing what the problem was.
2. The Rabbanut sent inspectors to shops in the Carmel Market in Tel Aviv. They came upon a butcher that was selling meat with an ancient teudat kashrut - from the 1980s. The proprietor also brought out a certificate of lading that was also very old. Upon further inspection they discovered meat from a non-kosher meat factory in Um Al Fahm.
As the inspector points out, it is often the naive consumers, the traditional, who become the victims of these fraudulent sellers. The more religious know to look and check and ensure the kashrut level of the food, while the traditional just accept a statement of kashrut.
3. A wedding hall in Jerusalem billed as "mehadrin min hamehadrin" using private certification (a group called Ohr Eliyahu), was caught with refrigerated lamb meats that still had skin and hair on them.
The proprietor admitted that these meats had come from a private shechita performed in his own house. It seems he could not even say who had shechted and kashered the meat, if anyone actually did. You cannot kasher meat that still has the skin attached.
sources: Srugim and Kikar
The most important aspect of kashrut observance when eating out or buying food, is simply being aware and paying attention. It does not matter what hechsher you do or do not rely on - be aware of what you are looking at and pay attention to anything that looks suspicious, even if it has a reliable name on it or a fancy-looking logo.
I agree with that sentiment. It is my biggest problem with an organization like "Hashgacha Pratit" that largely (not entirely) relies on the trustworthiness of the proprietor of the establishment with some basic training. And especially with restaurants with no supervision at all except for perhaps a picture of a rabbi on the wall and the fellow behind the counter who assures you that it is all kosher. A lot of times, even without an actual attempt to deceive you, they just don't know and it would be an innocent mistake that you become the victim of.
3 stories:
1. the Rabbanut sent an inspector into an Asian restaurant with no teuda but stating that it is kosher. The fellow showed him an expired teuda from a vegetable supplier saying that this is where he buys stuff from. And that he only buys from kosher suppliers. I guess that teuda was an example of a kosher supplier he buys from.
Obviously that is no indication of kashrus for this restaurant. Maybe he also buys elsewhere?
The inspector relates that he spotted a container on the side that he decided to take a look at. It was a bottle of curry spice. Looking at the ingredients of this spice, the inspector discovered that it contains shrimp.
the proprietor admitted using the spice, not realizing what the problem was.
2. The Rabbanut sent inspectors to shops in the Carmel Market in Tel Aviv. They came upon a butcher that was selling meat with an ancient teudat kashrut - from the 1980s. The proprietor also brought out a certificate of lading that was also very old. Upon further inspection they discovered meat from a non-kosher meat factory in Um Al Fahm.
As the inspector points out, it is often the naive consumers, the traditional, who become the victims of these fraudulent sellers. The more religious know to look and check and ensure the kashrut level of the food, while the traditional just accept a statement of kashrut.
3. A wedding hall in Jerusalem billed as "mehadrin min hamehadrin" using private certification (a group called Ohr Eliyahu), was caught with refrigerated lamb meats that still had skin and hair on them.
The proprietor admitted that these meats had come from a private shechita performed in his own house. It seems he could not even say who had shechted and kashered the meat, if anyone actually did. You cannot kasher meat that still has the skin attached.
sources: Srugim and Kikar
The most important aspect of kashrut observance when eating out or buying food, is simply being aware and paying attention. It does not matter what hechsher you do or do not rely on - be aware of what you are looking at and pay attention to anything that looks suspicious, even if it has a reliable name on it or a fancy-looking logo.
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It is a myth that Hashgacha Pratit "relies on trustworthiness." They have mashgichim who make regular inspections.
ReplyDeletethat's why I said largely, not entirely. their model is to rely on the owners while currently they use mashgichim and mashgichot, at least partly
ReplyDeleteso they are basically just another hechsher organization with very few requirements and an agenda to ruin the rabanut?
ReplyDeletebasically but not really. they claim to focus solely on kashrut of the food and not on other issues (tables at night, entertainment, I'm not sure about shabbos observance, etc) and I think their ultimate goal is to have absolute minimal supervision and rely more on trustworthiness with some training
ReplyDeleteI never understood how a kashrus organization can ignore hilchos Shabbos. Shabbos directly relates to kashrus because it means that the food is assur to eat if prepared by violating issurei Shabbos like bishul, afiah, etc. I remember when I was learning in EY in the early 1990's that I read an article in the Jerusalem Post weekly magazine that there was former talmid of R' Shach zt"l who had gone rogue and was purported to be an expert in hilchos kashrus. He gave a hechsher to restaurants that wanted to remain open on Shabbos. How can that food be consumed?
ReplyDeleteon a Sunday, Monday, Tuesday Wednesday Thursday and Friday no food being cnsumed will have been cooked on Shabbos. The problem would only be for people eating there on Shabbos or Motzash.
DeleteThere was an attempt of sorts last year or two years ago to make a division for shabbos - allow the restaurant to be open on shabbos without a hechsher and during the week with a hechsher. I think the idea would have bene to have two sets of dishes, each stored separately. I dont know if that ever actually happened.
I went to a pizza shop up north that told me they had such a division.
DeleteTheir hechsher was only during the week, on a separate oven.
But they were upfront about it.
I think it was badatz Beit Yosef.