LFD yours is a horrible reply. Your laissez faire attitude, to each his/her own, might be ok for religious practice, choice of schools, bread or wraps, etc. but not for prevention of spreading harmful & deadly diseases. Not vaccinating your children aside from unusual circumstances is bordering on criminal neglect if not abuse. Otherwise, why do we need fluoride in water? Garbage & sanitation pick up--let's all dump it in the park for compost. Antivaxxers ignore the facts..no small pox, pneumonia numbers down, who dies or has lasting illness of whooping cough, mumps, measles, flu virus, diphtheria, measles, polio, etc? Only people in poorest of countries and knuckleheads where vaccinations are available. Improvement in public health and advances in clean environment have mightly contributed to disease control and prevention. But regardless if we totally disagree on the extent of public health advances, the facts tell us vaccinations are a primary factor in communicable disease reductions, are overwhelmingly safe among most populations, and we can eradicate certain diseases en toto with time and 100percent coverage. No sports team wins each and every competition but that doesn't mean you give up trying. In this case of antivaxxers, you're sacrificing the health and lives of yourself, gambling with your children's and those of others in society. That's criminal. Antivaxxers deserve criminal sanctions.

LFD yours is a horrible reply. Your laissez faire attitude, to each his/her own, might be ok for religious practice, choice of schools, bread or wraps, etc. but not for prevention of spreading harmful & deadly diseases. Not vaccinating your children aside from unusual circumstances is bordering on criminal neglect if not abuse. Otherwise, why do we need fluoride in water? Garbage & sanitation pick up--let's all dump it in the park for compost. Antivaxxers ignore the facts..no small pox, pneumonia numbers down, who dies or has lasting illness of whooping cough, mumps, measles, flu virus, diphtheria, measles, polio, etc? Only people in poorest of countries and knuckleheads where vaccinations are available. Improvement in public health and advances in clean environment have mightly contributed to disease control and prevention. But regardless if we totally disagree on the extent of public health advances, the facts tell us vaccinations are a primary factor in communicable disease reductions, are overwhelmingly safe among most populations, and we can eradicate certain diseases en toto with time and 100percent coverage. No sports team wins each and every competition but that doesn't mean you give up trying. In this case of antivaxxers, you're sacrificing the health and lives of yourself, gambling with your children's and those of others in society. That's criminal. Antivaxxers deserve criminal sanctions.

Harold, help me to understand. I said "Of course the vaccines prevent disease. Of course they need to be given."
All I'm saying is that medical protocol can always be improved on. I'm also just curious about differences in protocol in different places.
To make it clear, I think antivaxxers are nuts. But if I threw out every nut who espouses conspiracy theories from my Shabbos table, I'd have lots of people who would have nowhere to eat. And they have the most uh,...interesting? Divrei Torah...kinda scary but I digress.
BTW, my father A'H died from post polio syndrome. He had to go through that nightmare twice. I despise people who are devastating others by stupidity. That being said, I see no harm in improving how we give vaccines, or any medical treatment, and always look to improve our understanding of medical safety protocol.

And "Flat Earthers" are fun Shabbos guests too. My table is never boring, I can tell you that!