Jun 8, 2014
Picture of the Day
in case you thought "mehadrin elevator" might mean an elevator with a a hechsher for use on Shabbos....
UPDATE:
Walla News tracked this down and found it to be not in Bnei Braq (as I wrote in the comments that I had heard) but in a new hall in Jerusalem (though it is a Bnei Braq wedding hall owner who just expanded to Jerusalem) in Givat Shaul called Armonot Chen.
The owner said that there are osme people who want to guard their eyes on the day of their chuppa.. if 4 men go into the elevator and 4 women go in, what will they do? The mechitza solves their problem. He says the division is not being forced - the mechitza can be taken down in 30 seconds. It is not the Berlin Wall.
I assume he means someone hosting a simcha event can choose whether to have the mechitza in the elevator or not - and not a passenger in the elevator can take it down on his or her own if desired.
The owner also said that at his hall in Bnei Braq he has a separate elevator for men and a separate elevator for women. At the hall in Jerusalem that they just purchased, there was only one elevator, so they divided it. He also revealed he plans to install separate staircases and entrances to the hall for men and women. He added "if it bother someone, clearly he is corrupt. why does it bother anyone? a person wants to guard his eyes, and that is his right. Instead of looking at a curtain in an elevator, we should look at people being murdered and people not having housing."
UPDATE:
Walla News tracked this down and found it to be not in Bnei Braq (as I wrote in the comments that I had heard) but in a new hall in Jerusalem (though it is a Bnei Braq wedding hall owner who just expanded to Jerusalem) in Givat Shaul called Armonot Chen.
The owner said that there are osme people who want to guard their eyes on the day of their chuppa.. if 4 men go into the elevator and 4 women go in, what will they do? The mechitza solves their problem. He says the division is not being forced - the mechitza can be taken down in 30 seconds. It is not the Berlin Wall.
I assume he means someone hosting a simcha event can choose whether to have the mechitza in the elevator or not - and not a passenger in the elevator can take it down on his or her own if desired.
The owner also said that at his hall in Bnei Braq he has a separate elevator for men and a separate elevator for women. At the hall in Jerusalem that they just purchased, there was only one elevator, so they divided it. He also revealed he plans to install separate staircases and entrances to the hall for men and women. He added "if it bother someone, clearly he is corrupt. why does it bother anyone? a person wants to guard his eyes, and that is his right. Instead of looking at a curtain in an elevator, we should look at people being murdered and people not having housing."
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where is this....?
ReplyDeleteI am told it is in Bnei Braq in a hall, but I dont know that for sure...
DeleteThese pictures are a joke - right? Not particular;y funny but I guess we need to mock the concept that "Mehadrin" means further separation between men and women", otherwise things like segregated elevators is the next step from segregated buses.
ReplyDeleteI can see how this will involuntarily lead to more problems.
ReplyDeleteMore fool them! Everyone knows that a curtain which moves is not kosher as a mechitza. Perhaps they can be sued for false advertising! ;-)
ReplyDeletethe curtain is mehadrin. the next elevator will get a mechitza, which will be mehadrin min hamehadrin.
DeleteAccording to the Chazon Ish it is a kosher mechitzah, because there is no wind inside the elevator. But according to the MB you are right, it is not a kosher mechitzah at all....
Deleteby "kosher" you mean they would be allowed to make a minyan for mincha in the elevator?
DeleteOh goody, just like the Monsey bus, where because they can't see you, you aren't really there so they can bump tushies with you the whole ride through. Just what we've been missing.
ReplyDeleteCome on, Rafi. Either this is a joke, in which case it should be labeled as such. Or it's for real, in which case anyone who publicizes it is obligated to track it down and give its exact location. We already have more than enough "jokes" on the Internet.
ReplyDeleteI have heard it is a wedding hall in Bnei Braq. specifically Ulamot Cheb. I am NOT traveling to Bnei Braq just to check it out. If I happen to be there, maybe I'll stop in and take a look
DeleteIf the hall is big enough, they really should have 2 elevators on opposite sides of the building. And if it isn't big enough, they should have an attendant setting men's vs. women's elevator use time by the quarter-hour.
ReplyDeleteWhat will happen with the way it is now, is people will still stand very crowded around the entrance of the elevator, there will be 2x the crush of people to get in our out, resulting in either people bumping into one another (a la Monsey ;-) ) or the people outside having the doors close in front of their faces because they couldn't get in in time.
the post has been updated with new information. see above in the post
ReplyDeleteWhy are women going out of their homes and going in public? They should stay locked in the home. Weddings are for men, only. Only the kallah should be at the wedding, and only for the five minutes ofthe chuppah. And her mother only for shushvinim (marching down the aisle), and leave right away; she shouldnt even stay for the chuppah.
ReplyDeleteWith modern technology, perhaps the "modernish" can arrange a video conference of the ofthe wedding for the women.
In the "alte heim" they had no need for a mechitzah, we should also have no need.
MiMedinat HaYam
Why are women going out of their homes and going in public? They should stay locked in the home. Weddings are for men, only. Only the kallah should be at the wedding, and only for the five minutes ofthe chuppah. And her mother only for shushvinim (marching down the aisle), and leave right away; she shouldnt even stay for the chuppah.
ReplyDeleteWith modern technology, perhaps the "modernish" can arrange a video conference of the ofthe wedding for the women.
In the "alte heim" they had no need for a mechitzah, we should also have no need.
MiMedinat HaYam