Oct 21, 2014
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reminds me of [reading about] the days of segregation.. separate drinking fountains, separate bathrooms, etc.
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This is the kind of segregation which should stop.
ReplyDeleteOne of the things Israel's rebirth should have done was begin a process of unifications between different groups within Judaism with the goal of providing a single halachic system for all. Instead we have retrenchment. How sad.
ReplyDeleteWe already have a single halakhic system for all, albeit with several different flavors.
DeleteIt's those "movements" who are more interested in doing what they want, according to their feelings, that seriously trying to learn what HaShem wants.
"They" are the ones who have themselves apart.
How do they determine who gets to vote Sephardi or Ashkenazi?
ReplyDeleteI disagree. It is not like that kind of segregation at all. In this case, the two sides are separate and equal - at least on the official governmental level.
ReplyDeleteThere will be this system until Mashiah comes with the new Sanhedrin. This halachic dichotomy was perhaps not started, but was further perpetuated by, the Shulhan Aruch and Rema and their respective disciples. The State of Israel's existence could not bring about halachic unity because of the good and valid halachic stubbornness of various Poskim. I say "good and valid" since Minhagim should not simply be changed on a whim. When there was a Shinui Makom to Israel, many advocated changing their halacha to follow one path, but most leaders coming from exile were too set in their ways to change from Minhag Avoteinu Beyadeinu. The change for many would have been so drastic that it would have made them change everything they do. (Imagine Belzer Hasidim starting to say Baruch Ata instead of Burich Ato.) So, alas, we wait - just like for everything else.
Meanwhile, the system we have is a good one and shouldn't be tampered with until Mashiah.
I disagree. The Sanhedrin can be re-established today.
DeleteUnfortunately, no one wants to give up his perceived power.
Does everyone get to vote once in each box, or only once? Seems they could use different color box/envelope to avoid confusion.
ReplyDeleteGood idea. But, I can see it now, someone making the mistake of making one white and one black! Gold and silver, and really any color could be read into.
DeleteBetter to keep them the same color. I hope some Americans aren't upset that the labels are only in Hebrew, and not English!
HA HA!
each voter gets one vote in each box
DeleteVoting. Great. :-/
DeleteSo, it's a popularity contest?
There maybe be good candidates, but I'm not so sure of those who vote, and I am definitely against this Hellenist process.
The system of two rabbis in the country and in the larger cities is a good one. There is already a natural trend in the country toward assimilation of the Sepharadi and Ashkenazi people, BUT there is no reason to push it forward artificially while also alienating the many many 'pure laine' people on both sides which includes the grandparents and parents' generation. Forcing artificial change is not the proper 'disruption' that will benefit many other than the nice cuddly feeling of superficial unity. The change will come, let it happen naturally in a generation or two.
ReplyDeleteJosh, I think that you're probably right, in terms of strategy. I guess I'm just impatient. ;-)
DeleteAnd,...
I think it's important to point out whenever there are shenanigans from those putting up obstacles to this [hopefully] natural, and IMHO, preferable eventuality.
What is a 'pure laine' person?
Deleteand why do you use the term "assimilation" regarding 2 Jews marrying?
My use of the term Pure laine means pure Sepharadi or Ashkenazi from both parents. Assimilation means the mixing of two cultures and adoption of other traditions. It might also mean loosely that us white Ashkenazim have come home and slowly coming back to our Middle Eastern/Mediterranean roots (I eat humus and shwarma, and not only gefilte fish :-)
DeleteSome things are still written in stone like kitniyot on Pesach, but other things might be flexible like doing Shabbat Hatan after the wedding instead of insisting to do it before. How about kids davening in a different nusach then the father?
so if my polish grandfather married a woman of Litvish decent - then i am not "pure laine" any more because they are assimilated?
Deleteand what about an American born boy marrying a British girl? or even an Israeli??!!
and all the Litvish yeshivot that i went to daven nusach askenaz even if you are of chasidish decent?
I don't think the cooking is the main issue.
sort off :-)
Deletebut the subject of this original post is Sepharadi and Ashkenazi, and not Morrocan marrying a Tunisian or Shami Yemenite marrying Habani Yemenite. The cooking is not the main issue. Halachot are 'supposed' to go by the man, but I've heard many a rabbi suggest compromise on solutions in which ikar hadin was not compromised but merely tradition.
I think that you're missing Josh's point. But, I'll let him decide whether to respond or not.
DeleteOn another matter, there seem to be Jews who believe in the obligation to keep minhaggei avoth, who are not even following this rule,...B"H.
I defy anyone to present a halakhic source (preferably something from at least 500 years ago) to support this "obligation."
All through HaZa"L we have examples of keeping minhaggei hamaqom. Furthermore, what happened to all of the Sepharadim (and their minhaggim) who were expelled from Spain and made their way to Poland, and elsewhere in Eastern Europe? Food for thought.