The real Charedim are the people who support a husband who raped his own sisters for years. Who raped even the youngest, when she was 6 or 7. Real Charedim are those who call off Shiduchim because the prospective Kallah was raped by her brother for years, with the knowledge and consent of their father. Real Charedim are those who support a man who threatens his sister's life for going to the police. Real Charedim are those who support a wife beater.
Ignoring Avi for a moment since he's only saying what we've come to expect from him.
Addressing the main point, Uri Maklev is a politician, associated with a party. The peleg yerushalmi do not vote for his party, do not obey or even hold of the same rabbis, do not attend the same shuls or yeshivos, and do not read the same newspapers. So why is the burden of proof on Maklev to show that they are not the same community? Because they both wear white shirts?
In general whenever the extremists do something bad, there are calls for the mainstream charedi leadership to condemn and disassociate from them. Well, he just did! Seems to me like there's nothing to complain about here
SB - I like the response about disassociating, but I disagree. it is just too easy to say you are haredi and you arent haredi. they are all clearly haredi and not just because of the white shirts. whenever somebody does something wrong the easiest way to deal with it is to say they arent haredi.
It's true that they are all charedi. But being charedi is not an exclusive club with a central leadership that someone can prevent you from joining. Anyone who wants to call themselves charedi can, and nobody can stop them.
Those aspects that _are_ analogous to a club - shuls, yeshivas, political affiliation, etc. - in those they really are separate. I think that's what he was getting at - yes, they are all charedi as a description, but not as an association to a community.
If it's not publicly-visible, I'll summarize. The poster relates that her mother was walking along the street in BS, and she was attacked because she was not dressed according to the standards of the Rasha who happened to see her. He threw a stone at her head, causing bleeding. There are pictures attached to the post.
That's what we have come to expect of Charedim in Israel, and in BS in particular.
Someone should introduce Uri to a Scottsman or two.
ReplyDeleteI'll tell you who the real Charedim are.
ReplyDeleteThe real Charedim are the people who support a husband who raped his own sisters for years. Who raped even the youngest, when she was 6 or 7. Real Charedim are those who call off Shiduchim because the prospective Kallah was raped by her brother for years, with the knowledge and consent of their father. Real Charedim are those who support a man who threatens his sister's life for going to the police. Real Charedim are those who support a wife beater.
Those are real Charedim.
Ignoring Avi for a moment since he's only saying what we've come to expect from him.
ReplyDeleteAddressing the main point, Uri Maklev is a politician, associated with a party. The peleg yerushalmi do not vote for his party, do not obey or even hold of the same rabbis, do not attend the same shuls or yeshivos, and do not read the same newspapers. So why is the burden of proof on Maklev to show that they are not the same community? Because they both wear white shirts?
In general whenever the extremists do something bad, there are calls for the mainstream charedi leadership to condemn and disassociate from them. Well, he just did! Seems to me like there's nothing to complain about here
And you support serial rape of relatives, which is only what we've come to expect of Charedim.
DeleteCarry on.
what are you talking about, Avi?
DeleteSB - I like the response about disassociating, but I disagree. it is just too easy to say you are haredi and you arent haredi. they are all clearly haredi and not just because of the white shirts. whenever somebody does something wrong the easiest way to deal with it is to say they arent haredi.
DeleteIt's true that they are all charedi. But being charedi is not an exclusive club with a central leadership that someone can prevent you from joining. Anyone who wants to call themselves charedi can, and nobody can stop them.
DeleteThose aspects that _are_ analogous to a club - shuls, yeshivas, political affiliation, etc. - in those they really are separate. I think that's what he was getting at - yes, they are all charedi as a description, but not as an association to a community.
Here's another example of Charedi behavior:
Deletehttps://www.facebook.com/karin.asraf.12/posts/10212411421737554
If it's not publicly-visible, I'll summarize. The poster relates that her mother was walking along the street in BS, and she was attacked because she was not dressed according to the standards of the Rasha who happened to see her. He threw a stone at her head, causing bleeding. There are pictures attached to the post.
That's what we have come to expect of Charedim in Israel, and in BS in particular.