Showing posts with label Belzer Rebbe. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Belzer Rebbe. Show all posts
Jul 23, 2025
biggest kipa in the world
This kipa actually set a Guiness World Record as biggest kipa in the world. It was created to be put on display at the Belz expo taking place today at Binyanei Hauma. The topic of the expo is basically Belz working people with the focus on "people should make a living off each other" - being aware of other people in the frum community who have businesses providing product or services we each need...
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Aug 22, 2023
Belz to educate their kids
The news announced that Belz is in the final stages of moving its chain of schools to the Bnei Yosef umbrella organization. The Belz schools, starting with a pilot of 2, will learn full core curriculum studies and in exchange will qualify for full government funding.
They are not being forced to do this but are doing it of their own initiative, so I bless them and wish them success. I personally think more education is a good thing and this move will hopefully give their children more opportunities when they get older.
I do wonder though, what changed?
Before the last elections they were already in the final stages of adding core curriculum studies and it nearly blew apart UTJ. Eventually they were promised additional funding if they would stay and not add the core curriculum studies, and they agreed and things calmed down. One of the compromises, which at the time did not go through, was to join the Bnei Yosef umbrella rather than just going straight to the government. At the time it did not happen, but now it seems to be in its final stages.
My question is, did they not get the money that was promised to them? What changed? Why after a loud public agreement to stop that movement to secular studies are they raising this issue again now? I think it is a good thing and I felt bad when it was then thwarted, but I am wondering what changed.
I have also seen a lot of criticism that some sort of scam is involved, they arent really going to study the full curriculum, they will claim they are with less supervision just to get the additional full funding. I dont know if any of that is true, and I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think proving that they are involved in a scam will be on other people to prove. I wish Belz luck and success in their new approach to education in Israel.
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Aug 29, 2022
Belz and Degel back to square one
Back in January it became known to the public that Belz was negotiating with the Ministry of Education to establish its internal school systems as Haredi public schools, in which their students would study core curriculum subjects, and they worked out a deal regarding supervision and inspections along with full financial support. Belz was upset that Degel Hatorah was not allowing them to join the Chinuch Atzmai system, and they needed a solution to their deep financial crisis, and could no longer go it independently. Belz came under heavy criticism from other Haredi factions, but Degel persisted int heir refusal to allow new members into Chinuch Atzmai.
It seems that Belz pursuing this arrangement with the Ministry of Education, and having come to an agreement, is actually what is behind the potential split between the Degel Hatorah and Agudat Yisrael factions of UTJ. Degel Hatorah is incensed that Belz would take on the core curriculum studies in exchange for money, something that they have fought valiantly against until now and has made this issue one of their central issues. Even though Belz is only doing it because Degel refuses to let them into Chinuch Atzmai.
Agudat Yisrael is now proposing a compromise, that would seemingly solve the entire dispute and allow the two factions to run together as a united party.
What is the proposed solution?
They are proposing that Degel Hatorah allow Belz to join Chinuch Atzmai and get funding for its schools through them and they will then put an end to their program to join the Ministry of Education.
I would note this is what they have been proposing all along, with Degel regularly refusing. this proposal is nothing new, just couched in the political framework of the upcoming elections.
While there is no word yet as to a response from Degel Hatorah, unless they now feel backed into the corner I dont see why they would change their opinion now when they have not all along. Degel is confident they can run it alone, if their rabbonim tell them to, so they probably dont feel much pressure to accept the deal now. I am not saying they shouldn't, just that I dont see anything special about this offer that is different form what happened until now, so don't see why they would - unless the rabbonim tell them to accept it just to avoid splitting the party. Basically, 9 months later they are still arguing about the same exact thing they were back then with each side still standing firm on the same exact spot that they were before..
As I said back then, keep saying no without providing an alternative, a solution of some sort, and they will go find their own solution, one you might not like. This is true almost 100% of the time in almost all situations. And now they, both sides, are stuck with the consequences of those decisions.
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Jan 26, 2022
Belz mainstreaming Haredi public schools
The news is reporting that the Belz people (educational committee, representatives of the Admor and whoever else is important there) have been negotiating with the government to convert the Belz educational system and all, or most of, its schools, into joining the public school system. They would become what has become known as "MaMaCh" - Mamlachti Haredi schools. That is the public school system for the Haredi community.
If the negotiations succeed, Belz would benefit by possibly increasing the government support of their schools to up to 100%. As a private school now they get only 55% max of government support, and they always claim much less in reality. It seems they are in a bit of a financial bind and recent fundraising efforts have fallen short, along with efforts to increase support from Chinuch Atzmai also failing.
As part of the MaMaCh system Belz would commit to implementing full secular studies into their school systems with the bagrut testing as well. They would focus on bagrut in the fields of mathematics, English language and Hebrew language. the government would likely have to agree on no external supervision and inspections and would instead limit the supervision to reviewing the semi-annual testing. The level of support would also depend on the level of success in the testing, as that would indicate that they are actually teaching and studying the material and taking it seriously.
This is a major shift. The institutional Haredi community has vehemently opposed the MaMaCh system. Even if it does not work out in the end, though right now it looks like it is nearly a done deal, the fact that they have been negotiating, and seriously negotiating, is itself a big deal and a monumental shift in Haredi society. I dont know if it will lead to other communities adjusting attitudes as well and consider joining the MaMaCh system, or at least not opposing it as strongly they have until now, but a major community like Belz joining it is definitely going to go a long way to kashering it in the minds of many.
The Haredi community always claimed, especially about the educational system, that they cannot be bought for money - they will never change just for increased budgets. It looks like that is just a myth.
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Oct 13, 2020
the Belzer Rebbe WAS treated for Corona by Hadassah, but at home
Haaretz just reported last night on the veracity of a big rumor a little while back that was vehemently denied. (note, I can't post to the Haaretz article because of their paywall, so I am posting to Kikar's republishing of the article instead)
The rumor back then was that the Belzer Rebbe had caught the CoronaVirus. It was even said at one point that he was in serious condition and was being treated in the hospital. The rumors were flying, the Belzers were denying the report, and a little while later the rumors died down as people got interested in the next hot information and the Belzers continued ont heir merry way ignoring the guidelines, holdingh large weddings and services with the Rebbe even more recently telling people to ignore the rules as "guard your life" also includes spiritual life and that is more important.
ok. It is what it is.
According to Haaretz, the rumors back then, that the Belzers vehemently denied, were all true.
the one aspect I don't remember hearing about back then which is part of what actually happened is that Hadassah Hospital actually sent all the necessary medical equipment to the Belzer Rebbe's house and treated him their, at home instead of in the hospital, under the supervision of Professors Weiss and Rothstein, the heads of Hadassah Hospital.
According to the article, even though they denied it a couple of months ago, the Belzers are now confirming it as true and say the Rebbe was even in very serious condition and Baruch Hashem recovered fully.
There is a lot that can be said about that story. But I am not going to say it. Everyone else is, so I am not going to bother. I do want to comment on the next part of the report.
According to the article, Professor Rothstein responded vaguely regarding the Belzer Rebbe, as every patient has the right to confidentiality, no matter who the patient is. The interesting part of what he said is "Here at Hadassah, at least ever since I am here, each person is a person and each person gets the individualized treatment he needs. Our policy has proven itself - within the hospital and outside of it. I think it is the right policy that the hospital places the interests of the sick patient above its own interests.... we treat everyone, as well as those we treat outside the hospital, in the best way possible. That is the only thing I am prepared to say, without speaking about any specific Admor or person or this or that important person."
So I might ask, only the Belzer Rebbe would benefit from treatment sent to his home from the hospital? All those laid up in the Corona ward should also get the individual treatment they need and would benefit from. Surely the percentages of successfully treated patients would go up if everyone was treated with such care and attention, as the good professor suggests they do. Why would anyone want to stay in the Corona ward and be treated there if Hadassah treats those who need it outside the hospital equally? It is in the interests of every patient to be treated in the best way possible, and for very many of them that would also be at home rather than in isolation in a hospital with nobody around to say hello and give some personal attention. Who does he think he is fooling suggesting that special people, this or that Admor, aren't treated better?
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Jun 7, 2015
Belz London does a u-turn on women driving
The brouhaha over women driving in London in the Belz community did not interest me all that much. That's part of being hassidic, and part of being a member of any relatively small and insular group. You don't like it, leave. You like it or are willing to put up with it for the other benefits, that's your choice.
From the perspective of the authorities, I am not sure how much say they should have in internal affairs of any community. I don't know that any legal questions were raised, so meddling in the religion of a group is problematic, and can lead to just more meddling. On the other hand the schools are state-funded...
Anyways, it was not all that new or interesting to me.
The latest development is..
Now that the authorities in London have voiced their opinions and have turned them into a mockery and meddling has begun, rightfully or wrongfully, Belz has retracted. or said the original was a mistake. Or said it was an unauthorized statement. or whatever. call it what you want. They have retracted.
I find that fascinating. In Israel they, or any other Haredi community, would never back down to the authorities once they claimed something as an expression of their religious beliefs, while in London they did this u-turn pretty quickly.
From the perspective of the authorities, I am not sure how much say they should have in internal affairs of any community. I don't know that any legal questions were raised, so meddling in the religion of a group is problematic, and can lead to just more meddling. On the other hand the schools are state-funded...
Anyways, it was not all that new or interesting to me.
The latest development is..
Now that the authorities in London have voiced their opinions and have turned them into a mockery and meddling has begun, rightfully or wrongfully, Belz has retracted. or said the original was a mistake. Or said it was an unauthorized statement. or whatever. call it what you want. They have retracted.
I find that fascinating. In Israel they, or any other Haredi community, would never back down to the authorities once they claimed something as an expression of their religious beliefs, while in London they did this u-turn pretty quickly.
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Mar 13, 2014
Belz didn't say tachanun after Abutbol's victory in Bet Shemesh
hmmmm. according to this article in Bechadrei, the Admor of Belz instructed his people to not say Tachanun on Wednesday due to the celebration of the electoral victory of Moshe Abutbol in Bet Shemesh. He also drank a "lechayim"...
we all know that many hassidim find pretty much any and every excuse to skip tachanun, so it is almost not surprising.. but still - skip tachanun for winning the election of a mayor?
comparisons to other days of equal or greater miracles keep running through my head, and I wonder if they skip tachanun of any or some of those days as wel....
we all know that many hassidim find pretty much any and every excuse to skip tachanun, so it is almost not surprising.. but still - skip tachanun for winning the election of a mayor?
comparisons to other days of equal or greater miracles keep running through my head, and I wonder if they skip tachanun of any or some of those days as wel....
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Feb 27, 2014
Belzers plan to move to the USA as refugees
The big, and shocking, news item of the day seems to be the announcement of the Belzer community that they are preparing for a mass "yerida" in the event that the new draft law should pass.
They say they have some senators who have promised to work for them on getting them refugee status, which would allow them entry into the United States.
According to the definition of refugee status, I can see how this can happen. they can make a case for being members of a persecuted social group. Whether the case will be strong enough for the US government to accept it or not remains to be seen, but it looks feasible.
That being said, I wonder what will happen when they become refugees in, let's say, New York City. Will they suddenly discover that the vast majority of their Belzer brethren in the USA already work for a living and aren't in kollels for a very long time? Will they suddenly discover that the government gives welfare, in some places more than others, but in very few places are there mass movements to live off of welfare, because you can't really. Are they going to live in refugee or DP camps? Where will over 7000 families suddenly live? Are there 7000 homes available and open for them? Will they drive the price of rentals through the roof?
They may not have to go to the army, if they move to the USA, but their lifestyles will definitely change.
Besides for that, I am not sure if they think they are making a promise or a threat. While I think all Jews should be in Israel, and it would be disappointing to lose so many Jews back to the Diaspora, it doesn't really harm me or most people personally or directly in any way. It might even bring real estate prices in Jerusalem down a bit.
They say they have some senators who have promised to work for them on getting them refugee status, which would allow them entry into the United States.
According to the definition of refugee status, I can see how this can happen. they can make a case for being members of a persecuted social group. Whether the case will be strong enough for the US government to accept it or not remains to be seen, but it looks feasible.
That being said, I wonder what will happen when they become refugees in, let's say, New York City. Will they suddenly discover that the vast majority of their Belzer brethren in the USA already work for a living and aren't in kollels for a very long time? Will they suddenly discover that the government gives welfare, in some places more than others, but in very few places are there mass movements to live off of welfare, because you can't really. Are they going to live in refugee or DP camps? Where will over 7000 families suddenly live? Are there 7000 homes available and open for them? Will they drive the price of rentals through the roof?
They may not have to go to the army, if they move to the USA, but their lifestyles will definitely change.
Besides for that, I am not sure if they think they are making a promise or a threat. While I think all Jews should be in Israel, and it would be disappointing to lose so many Jews back to the Diaspora, it doesn't really harm me or most people personally or directly in any way. It might even bring real estate prices in Jerusalem down a bit.
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Jun 19, 2012
Women Go Home
As the ultra-Orthodox community continues to get more and more stringent, and restrictive, in what is considered acceptable behavior, the crazy gets crazier and more interesting.
The latest in the hyper-tzniyus craze comes from the Kiryat Belz neighborhood of Jerusalem. They have now hung up a notice in the area around the main shul directed at women. The notice tells the women that they should make sure to hurry home so as not to be outside in the streets at all when the men come out of shul, as the honor of our women, the princesses of Israel, is internal.
(source: Mynet)
The Belzers actually put to shame the Eida people of the Kirya Haredit of Bet Shemesh. In the Kirya of Bet Shemesh they only asked/demanded that women cross the street and not walk right outside the shuls, while Belz tells them to go home and get off the streets completely. It says a lot when one can actually outdo the extreme Eida community of Bet Shemesh.
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The latest in the hyper-tzniyus craze comes from the Kiryat Belz neighborhood of Jerusalem. They have now hung up a notice in the area around the main shul directed at women. The notice tells the women that they should make sure to hurry home so as not to be outside in the streets at all when the men come out of shul, as the honor of our women, the princesses of Israel, is internal.
(source: Mynet)
The Belzers actually put to shame the Eida people of the Kirya Haredit of Bet Shemesh. In the Kirya of Bet Shemesh they only asked/demanded that women cross the street and not walk right outside the shuls, while Belz tells them to go home and get off the streets completely. It says a lot when one can actually outdo the extreme Eida community of Bet Shemesh.
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Dec 21, 2011
The Shabbos Siren Of Belz Was Silenced
The sirens announcing the arrival of Shabbos are a beautiful thing. Along with that, they bring back the ancient custom of announcing Shabbos by blowing trumpets in the community. Different areas use different ttypes of sirens for this. The standard siren is just a long wailing siren. In some neighborhoods, they add to that a siren blaring music - generally a Shabbos tune.
I particularly used to love the siren. In the winter, I am usually still home when the siren blares, as in my neighborhood many people keep candlelighting according to the custom of Jerusalem to light 40 minutes before sunset rather than the Bet Shemesh custom of 20 minutes prior to sunset. In the summer, when I make early Shabbos, I am usually walking home from shul when the siren blares, and then I get to embarrass my kids as I often sing along with the music. I say "used to" because recently it has started getting on my nerves.
The local people running it have added so many warning sirens they are making me crazy. It is no longer a siren just at candlelighting time, or a 2 minute warning prior to candlelighting time. Now, there is a siren 20 minutes before candlelighting time, then 10 minutes prior. I think there is also 5 minutes prior as well. That is in addition to the regular two sirens. I counted last week and if I remember correctly there were 5 sets of sirens blasted. At first I couldnt understand how candlelighting time had gotten so early, then I realized they are warning sirens.
Anyways, the Belz shul in Tel Aviv just had to cancel their siren to avoid fights. Belz plays Lecha Dodi over the siren system, and a number of secular residents of the area have been asking them to stop playing it. Initially they lowered the volume, but they have now decided to cancel the entire siren altogether. The gabbai of the shul said that they have been in that location for over 50 years, and have never tried to take over the neighborhood or anything. He said they have never tried to force anybody to do anything, but if people are going to complain about this, it isnt something necessary to fight about. When other people asked why they stopped it he told them that he is not interested in waging any battles.
I think the Belzer gabbai in Tel Aviv made a wise decision. he recognized which way the winds are blowing right now, and realized this is not something worth fighting over, and causing hatred towards his shul among the locals.
I particularly used to love the siren. In the winter, I am usually still home when the siren blares, as in my neighborhood many people keep candlelighting according to the custom of Jerusalem to light 40 minutes before sunset rather than the Bet Shemesh custom of 20 minutes prior to sunset. In the summer, when I make early Shabbos, I am usually walking home from shul when the siren blares, and then I get to embarrass my kids as I often sing along with the music. I say "used to" because recently it has started getting on my nerves.
The local people running it have added so many warning sirens they are making me crazy. It is no longer a siren just at candlelighting time, or a 2 minute warning prior to candlelighting time. Now, there is a siren 20 minutes before candlelighting time, then 10 minutes prior. I think there is also 5 minutes prior as well. That is in addition to the regular two sirens. I counted last week and if I remember correctly there were 5 sets of sirens blasted. At first I couldnt understand how candlelighting time had gotten so early, then I realized they are warning sirens.
Anyways, the Belz shul in Tel Aviv just had to cancel their siren to avoid fights. Belz plays Lecha Dodi over the siren system, and a number of secular residents of the area have been asking them to stop playing it. Initially they lowered the volume, but they have now decided to cancel the entire siren altogether. The gabbai of the shul said that they have been in that location for over 50 years, and have never tried to take over the neighborhood or anything. He said they have never tried to force anybody to do anything, but if people are going to complain about this, it isnt something necessary to fight about. When other people asked why they stopped it he told them that he is not interested in waging any battles.
I think the Belzer gabbai in Tel Aviv made a wise decision. he recognized which way the winds are blowing right now, and realized this is not something worth fighting over, and causing hatred towards his shul among the locals.
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May 10, 2011
Belzer Rebbe On Yom Ha'Atzmaut
I recently heard the following story that was quoted from a book written in 1962. The story has to do with Rav Aharon Rokeach, the former Belzer Rebbe, and his attitude to Yom Ha'Atzmaut.
The story goes that Rav Rokeach, the Belzer Rebbe at the time, was approached by someone who asked him that on Yom Ha'Atzmaut some Jews dance joyously, while in Mea Shearim there are Jews who dress in sackcloth and act in mourning, and what is the Rebbe's attitude to this?
The Rebbe's response, the story goes, was "when Jews are happy, I am happy".
The story goes that Rav Rokeach, the Belzer Rebbe at the time, was approached by someone who asked him that on Yom Ha'Atzmaut some Jews dance joyously, while in Mea Shearim there are Jews who dress in sackcloth and act in mourning, and what is the Rebbe's attitude to this?
The Rebbe's response, the story goes, was "when Jews are happy, I am happy".
Apr 12, 2011
the Real Problem With Machine Matza
The OU printed a booklet of articles related to Pesach for distribution in Israel.
One of the articles was about the various issues related to hand matza and machine matza, and why some prefer one over the other.
The article concluded quoting the Belzer Rebbe explaining why machine matza is no good and one should only use hand baked matza. The Rebbe's reasoning is that no matter how good they made the machine matza, no matter how well they cleaned out the machinery, and no matter how strict they were regarding the process, at the end of the process an angel comes and drops a little bit of chametz into the machine matza. So machine matza cannot be good for Pesach, and one should only eat hand matza.
I have no complaints against the Belzer rebbe. chas v'shalom. if he wants to believe something so ridiculous like that, it is his prerogative. No hard feelings. However, I think the OU should have used more discretion and not included such a ridiculous claim in their article. They should have stuck to how hard it is to clean the machine properly, the issues of whether a machine can be considered lsheim mitzva, whether than hand matza can be done properly or fast enough, etc. and they should have left the heeby jeeby claims alone. How many people will now be afraid to buy machine matza because of the fear of some angel dropping chametz?
One of the articles was about the various issues related to hand matza and machine matza, and why some prefer one over the other.
The article concluded quoting the Belzer Rebbe explaining why machine matza is no good and one should only use hand baked matza. The Rebbe's reasoning is that no matter how good they made the machine matza, no matter how well they cleaned out the machinery, and no matter how strict they were regarding the process, at the end of the process an angel comes and drops a little bit of chametz into the machine matza. So machine matza cannot be good for Pesach, and one should only eat hand matza.
I have no complaints against the Belzer rebbe. chas v'shalom. if he wants to believe something so ridiculous like that, it is his prerogative. No hard feelings. However, I think the OU should have used more discretion and not included such a ridiculous claim in their article. They should have stuck to how hard it is to clean the machine properly, the issues of whether a machine can be considered lsheim mitzva, whether than hand matza can be done properly or fast enough, etc. and they should have left the heeby jeeby claims alone. How many people will now be afraid to buy machine matza because of the fear of some angel dropping chametz?
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Dec 28, 2009
The Rebbe's new shtreimel
Shearim brings us a picture of the Belzer Rebbe wearing his new shtreimel. The Rebbe changed his shtreimel, not just for a brand new shtreimel, but for a different type of shtreimel. Shearim posted a picture of the event, and quipped "as if a Shtreimel is that important"..
I would like to know why he made the switch. Is it a Belz minhag that at a certain time you switch? Is he starting somethign new? Was it based on the expense - maybe the new one is cheaper, so he is encouraging his followers to go with a cheaper brand? Is it to save an animal from extinction by switching to a different source of fur? I would like to know why. Rebbes usually don't do things with no reason..
I would like to know why he made the switch. Is it a Belz minhag that at a certain time you switch? Is he starting somethign new? Was it based on the expense - maybe the new one is cheaper, so he is encouraging his followers to go with a cheaper brand? Is it to save an animal from extinction by switching to a different source of fur? I would like to know why. Rebbes usually don't do things with no reason..
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Jan 13, 2009
Is the war almost over?
Is the war almost over? The Belzer Rebbe thinks so...
He told a Belz fundraiser who was concerned about being away from home for too much time and leaving his wife and kids in Ashdod by themselves. The Rebbe told him not to worry, as the war will be over soon.... (source: Ladaat.net)
I hope the Rebbe is right, but that when it is over we have accomplished our goals (whatever they are), and end up in a good position.
He told a Belz fundraiser who was concerned about being away from home for too much time and leaving his wife and kids in Ashdod by themselves. The Rebbe told him not to worry, as the war will be over soon.... (source: Ladaat.net)
I hope the Rebbe is right, but that when it is over we have accomplished our goals (whatever they are), and end up in a good position.
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