Rafi, you are the greatest, we love you, and I agree with you that they are wrong but to call them "thugs" ? We are all facing a serious scenario - a new enemy Turkey, Sinai is and Egypt turning radical and hostile (see the attack on the Israeli Embassy in Cairo). This is not the time (if there ever is) to call fellow Jews "thugs". I personally also must change the way I describe some of my neighbors. Our words are getting out of hand and when there is this degree of animosity among us we know what Heaven may chalila on us. Please, we are all playing with fire. Lets tone down the words.
It upsets me to no end. Over the past 3 decades the charedi community has worked tirelessly so that כולל is no longer a four-letter word.
Yet the efforts have gone awry, so that now work is a four-letter word, and people who are unproductive day after day win respect for "defending the cause" and serve as a far more vivid example of charedi behavior than the ones quietly and nobly learning.
Anon 11:52 may I refer you to the Talmudic accounts of the "biryonim" - including the retrospective the gemara itself offers, that it was a shame we didn't act more actively to stop them?
Perhaps these protesters (is that a word you approve of for their activities?) are even connected to the other Jews photographed in photo ops working alongside Palestinians in order to ch"v overthrow the state.
I call them thugs because that is what they are. They use violence and bully methods to advance their agenda, to solve their issues. They attack young girls in bet Shemesh, they damage property in a bookstore in Geula, they damage the Kaftor VaFerach store a few weeks ago when the owner wouldnt comply to a demand, they have damaged an ice cream shop in Geula recently, they have thrown bleach upon women buying clothes in stores in geula along with breaking windows of those stores. They act like thugs.
It is the people who call them "haredim" who are causing the most trouble, because then others lump all haredim together with these guys and think all haredim to be extremist and unreasonable which is far from true.
anonymous - if you have not see the kikar website today, go take a look. They have been fighting over control of a kollel and the "hekdesh" property in Mea Shearim. they recently stole the clothes of someone in the mikva who is one of the people involved form the other side. When the fellow came out of the mikva and found no clothes, he had to walk hoe through the neighborhood just wrapped in a towel. They photographed him like this and are now threatening to spread the photos all over the place unless they capitulate to their demands.
This will probably stop when they begin charging to use the train.
ReplyDeleteLet them have the buses, everyone else will use the train.
ReplyDeleteRafi, you are the greatest, we love you, and I agree with you that they are wrong but to call them "thugs" ? We are all facing a serious scenario - a new enemy Turkey, Sinai is and Egypt turning radical and hostile (see the attack on the Israeli Embassy in Cairo). This is not the time (if there ever is) to call fellow Jews "thugs". I personally also must change the way I describe some of my neighbors. Our words are getting out of hand and when there is this degree of animosity among us we know what Heaven may chalila on us. Please, we are all playing with fire. Lets tone down the words.
ReplyDeleteIt upsets me to no end. Over the past 3 decades the charedi community has worked tirelessly so that כולל is no longer a four-letter word.
ReplyDeleteYet the efforts have gone awry, so that now work is a four-letter word, and people who are unproductive day after day win respect for "defending the cause" and serve as a far more vivid example of charedi behavior than the ones quietly and nobly learning.
Anon 11:52 may I refer you to the Talmudic accounts of the "biryonim" - including the retrospective the gemara itself offers, that it was a shame we didn't act more actively to stop them?
ReplyDeletePerhaps these protesters (is that a word you approve of for their activities?) are even connected to the other Jews photographed in photo ops working alongside Palestinians in order to ch"v overthrow the state.
Whitewashing isn't a solution.
I call them thugs because that is what they are. They use violence and bully methods to advance their agenda, to solve their issues. They attack young girls in bet Shemesh, they damage property in a bookstore in Geula, they damage the Kaftor VaFerach store a few weeks ago when the owner wouldnt comply to a demand, they have damaged an ice cream shop in Geula recently, they have thrown bleach upon women buying clothes in stores in geula along with breaking windows of those stores. They act like thugs.
ReplyDeleteIt is the people who call them "haredim" who are causing the most trouble, because then others lump all haredim together with these guys and think all haredim to be extremist and unreasonable which is far from true.
anonymous - if you have not see the kikar website today, go take a look. They have been fighting over control of a kollel and the "hekdesh" property in Mea Shearim.
ReplyDeletethey recently stole the clothes of someone in the mikva who is one of the people involved form the other side. When the fellow came out of the mikva and found no clothes, he had to walk hoe through the neighborhood just wrapped in a towel. They photographed him like this and are now threatening to spread the photos all over the place unless they capitulate to their demands.
Are they not thugs?
They should stay there on the tracks...the world will be a better place without them.
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